The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

I think he doesn't care what I tell him, he will not give up on his crusade to make all history's tyrants look left-wing.

 

That's because the right wing in the US has decided to redefine left right as liberty on the right and tyranny on the left, which is funny, as I've pointed out, that the left right spectrum comes from revolutionary France where the right wingers were the supporters of the Nobility (Tyranny) and the left were the supporters of liberty (Um, liberty). It's also funny because apparently legislating morality is liberty according to these people.

 

it's not whether you're a fan of guns that's important, it's whether or not you are a fan of government having all the guns.

 

What's the difference ? Right or left gets you to the same place, lots of dead people.

 

If they are center what economics are to the right of them? Who is to the right of ayn rand? Is she a hardcore centrist?

You are not listening. OP is American. This thread is about the American spectrum. Not some silly spectrum that I can poke flaws in all day that Canadians use. Stay on subject please.

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Etymological fallacy. No one cares about French people playing dress up and parading around as royals in America. If someone tried that crap here, we would send them back to euro land with a wedgie and a wet Willie. Also, our left wing likes left wing economics. Something that binds all left wingers whether they like it or not.

 

Why are you calling it the American Spectrum when it's obviously the Glen Beck shock jock spectrum?

 

It is the spectrum used before glen beck got air time.

Who is to the right of "centrist" ayn rand?

 

Only those who practice their forms of left wing economic socialism. What I don't get is why you are trying to impose your scale on American discussion when your scale holds up to no tests.

Again, who is to the right of centrist ayn rand?

Pinochet. There is a right wing dictator. Now you try to name another one. One that didnt control the economy though and impose the type of socialist economic policies that would make Obama blush.

 

Adolf Hitler.

 

Oh nonsense. He believed in creating more equality through government then ayn rand did even on your crap scale. Wage controls are not something she would go for. Forcing employers to pay people they were assigned? Not in ayn rands world they wouldn't. Of you couldn't get a job on your own you don't get a job. What specifically is more left wing about ayn rand then the NAZI party's positions? Specifically mind you.

 

So who is John Mayo to completely redefine the terms left-wing and right-wing? Effectively you are saying they mean what you want them to mean rather than what their historical global meaning (accepted by hundreds of millions of people) mean. If you can't use commonly used terminology correctly, DON"T USE THEM; especially if you don't warn the people you are posting to that you aren't using the terms in their usual sense.

 

So Hitler now was a bleeding heart liberal? LOL!!!!!

 

No. This is widely accepted as the left and right wings in America. You even use it in your signature:

I didn't change them. Socialists are left wing because they think government control of the economy and top down works, I am right wing because I don't believe that. When you guys start throwing around "ayn rand" was a centrist and have nothing to the right of her but socialists that is when your scale is screwy. This is why I can poke holes in it and mine is still airtight and makes sense. Name two people, I will show you how they fall in left v right. In the mean time explain why you are where you are on the economic left v right spectrum you use as a signature. I bet of I answe those questions like ayn rand I end up way on the right. Want to bet?

 

No he is a national socialist.

Ever know a "liberal" (american terminology since you use "bleeding eart") to champion racially equal discriminatory laws? We got tons of them here. The whole democrat party has always championed laws that treat people differently based on skin color. Whee does that fall on your scale?

 

But that makes the American right wing actually left wing because the American right wing wants to regulate morality and that involves government control.

See how stupid your definition is?

 

There is an up or down too. You can be far right economically and want government control of morality. Right and down. Or you can be far right economically and not care what people do like Ron Paul. Right and up. Your scale would have such people as right, and then if they change their minds on the morality issues in the same spot as the far left communists. Which makes no sense because they are not similar and shouldn't be in the same spot.

 

No, no, no, no, no, you are others of your ilk have been defining big government as left wing. You don't suddenly get to exclude your own beliefs in big government as right wing to keep yourself as a right winger.

Sorry, you are now a socialist, communist and a Nazi. You lose. Good night.

 

"Some" historians? I'd pretty much guarantee that the vast majority of historians would agree that fascism as practised by the Nazi party, is a right-wing ideology. All, probably, except for lunatics like David Irving and his fellow Holocaust denialist scum.

 

No those aren't economic policies. There is an up or down. I do appreciate that you conceded the nazis were left wing. Good for you.

I am libertarian, I don't agree with policing morality. I am a right winger though.

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What % of those professors are lefties? What % of them have shown why wage and price controls and assigned work like in the Soviet Union aren't leftists?

You want to see the Jews exterminated. You are for government control of the economy. Where is the disconnect?

 

Here are some scales I made up and went back in time to post on other people's websites:

http://library.oakland.edu/tutorials/politicalspectrum/index.htm

Here, same scale the guy thinks hitler is to the right economically from Clinton but then adds that hitler and Stalin far left have the same economic policies:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

For the guy with the political compass signature this link will explain why you are economically left wing. Like you display all day.

 

Even though a link you demonstrably didn't look at that showed you the US had undertaken price control. And if you did a little reading you would find price control has been a feature of various forms of government for 3000 years.

And it is clear your intent here is to ride a losing argument into the ground no matter what. Until you get up to speed about who and what the Nazis were, there methods, who voted for them, how they gained power, there probably is not much more for you in this thread.

 

Gotz Ally took a lot of heat for his book due to the nature of the topic. After all, he is basically implying that Hitler bought off the people of Germany in order for them to look passed his warmongering and genocide. This comes from a socialized country, where socialism is seen as virtuous and necessary. To imply that socialism has a dark side would be to question their ideology, much like being branded a heretic during the Dark Ages.

As for Hitler wanting to conquer Poland, I totally agree. My point here is that Hitler was burning the bridges economically. Essentially he made warfare the only viable option for economic survival. That is why in 1935 he forbad the German government from passing budgets. He did not want to arouse the ire of the German people by his fiscal insanity. By not passing budgets, much like what is going on in the US today, the topic was swept under the rug to be left for a future date where there would be only one way out of the fiscal mess, which was war.

By the way, don't fall for the ploy on the left, which is to drag someone's reputation through the mud. Instead, read the book and look at the evidence for yourself. I read the book and he provided the evidence needed to prove his point in my opinion. I did not read anything I felt was outrageous or controversial.

 

Yes and price controls are leftist and have failed to work very time used. Nixon was economically leftist.

 

Or perhaps a defensive attempt at deflection because America's right-wing doesn't want to be seen in assocation with its defunct Nazi bed-fellows?

 

Unlike Hitler who it has placed on the right wing.