School removes 'Christ the Savior' from 'Silent Night'

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by JP5, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2004
    Messages:
    45,584
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This attack on Christians in our country is getting old. For a choral Director to decide that he should change the words to a famous Christian song so as "not to offend anyone of other religions" is ridiculous on its face. He just offended ALL Christians!!! This kind of thing....this attack on Christians..... is happening in one way or another all over the country.


    NY school removes religious references from Silent Night

    Updated: Friday, December 20 2013, 12:39 PM EST
    KINGS PARK, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) -- The song "Silent Night" is at the heart of a concert controversy on Long Island.

    Officials at Ralph J. Osgood Intermediate School removed several religious references, including "holy infant" and "Christ the savior," from the popular Christmas carol before a concert featuring fifth-graders last week, WCBS 880s Mike Xirinachs reported.

    The intent was to avoid offending non-Christians, but the change left others upset.

    Any reference to what the song was about the birth of Christ, round young virgin mother and child all of those things were omitted from the version that the children sang beautifully, said Jackie McDonald, a mother who walked out of the performance.

    To choose to sing Silent Night and eviscerate the meaning of the song was not appropriate, McDonald told CBS 2s Carolyn Gusoff.

    Some parents said the school should have chosen a different song.

    Its offensive, one father told Gusoff. If you're going to remove words to not offend other religions, what about the religion that that song belongs to, which is Christianity?"


    http://www.local12.com/news/feature...-religious-references-silent-night-6388.shtml
     
  2. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,547
    Likes Received:
    6,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    People are free to send their children to private school if they wish to avoid this ...
     
  3. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,274
    Likes Received:
    455
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ah yes the "war on Christians". All you people do is whine and cry about not being able to have special rights for your religion or that you aren't allowed to shove your religion in everyones face. As the above poster pointed out put your kid in a Christian school if thats what you want.
     
    OKgrannie and (deleted member) like this.
  4. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2004
    Messages:
    45,584
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    0
    And the intolerant few can put their fingers in their ears if it offends them. Why would they go to a Christmas program in the first place....IF they didn't expect to hear Christmas songs? And to CHANGE the WORDS????? Really.....you support that??
     
  5. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,547
    Likes Received:
    6,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because they wanted to probably keep the essence of the song . As a Muslim or different faith , I wouldn't want to listen about a different god either . It's the price you pay at a public school .
     
  6. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2004
    Messages:
    45,584
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    0
    There was a song sang in Hebrew. It wasn't changed. BTW, the school has already publically apologized and said it will never happen again. That's a good thing.
     
  7. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,547
    Likes Received:
    6,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't really care . I think one problem is that the school is tax funded . As a Muslim paying taxes in the area , I wouldn't want to pay taxes to a school preaching or singing about an opposing religion.
     
  8. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    48,878
    Likes Received:
    11,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No one forced them to sing a song with those words. Why sing a song and edit words out why not just not sing that song *gasp*. The only one forcing anything is the " this might offend someone" crowd.
     
  9. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2004
    Messages:
    45,584
    Likes Received:
    278
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's Christmas for heaven's sakes! Almost 80% of adults in our country ARE of the Christian faith.....so why wouldn't we sing our songs? I can remember back when I was in elementary school we put on a Christmas program each year.....everyone joined in of all different faiths and everyone enjoyed the heck out of it. No one got hurt. No one said, "YOU MUST now become a Christian." Are some so intolerant they can't even listen to a Christmas song? They must go crazy when the famous movie "White Christmas" appears on tv each year.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Where does it say the school was preaching? Can you provide that source please?
     
  10. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,547
    Likes Received:
    6,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Preaching and or singing .... Duh !

    Anyways , most Christmas songs are preachy to begin with ...if a school wants to collect tax payers money , they have to deal with the consequences of doing so .
     
  11. EMTdaniel86

    EMTdaniel86 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2011
    Messages:
    9,380
    Likes Received:
    4,403
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Singing and preaching two very different things. What was going on wasn't preaching.
     
  12. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    55,099
    Likes Received:
    13,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The parents of the children are TAXPAYERS , too. They have a FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT to practice their faith, as they see fit.

    NO CHILD was FORCED TO SING, NO PARENT, FORCED to ATTEND.


    Nothing whinier than the Godless Left....
     
  13. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,547
    Likes Received:
    6,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That is not the focus of debate ... I said " preaching or singing " ...

    When a school takes tax payer dollars , these are the consequences . Opposing religions don't want to help pay for a school to sing songs that are tied to those opposing religions .

    - - - Updated - - -

    Yes , and those tax payers include atheist , Muslims , Jews , etc ... Why are you ignoring their right ?
     
  14. Flintc

    Flintc New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2010
    Messages:
    11,879
    Likes Received:
    79
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This was a dumb idea. Christmas music comes in two basic flavors - cheerful secular songs, and religious songs. It's no mystery which is which. And while I regard gods as being among the most bizarre figments of the human imagination, and religions based on them to be preposterous, I have no problem singing such songs and enjoying them. Hopefully even children aren't going to have their brains washed by singing Christmas carols.
     
  15. respect7367

    respect7367 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I agree, the simple case is in the wording of Christmas, a celebration of Christ. The US and UK are founded on Christian values and teachings.
     
  16. RedWolf

    RedWolf Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2010
    Messages:
    7,363
    Likes Received:
    1,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It would make more sense to not sing the song to begin with. Silent Night is a christian song. God some people are just stupid.
     
  17. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Who cares? I'm sure a lot of people don't like having to speak English in this country either, but that's the language of the land. It's not the responsibility of the majority to bend over backwards to please every whiny member of every single minority group who might get offended for carrying on the tradition and culture that existed long before they got there.
     
  18. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,547
    Likes Received:
    6,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We don't have a state sponsored religion , but we do a language .... The real whiny group seems to be the Christians ... Sing your songs at home if you really are that desperate .
     
  19. thintheherd

    thintheherd New Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,465
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Why stop there? How about censoring "N****r Jim" in Mark Twain's classic? Why not put arms on Venus? Why not 'pretty-up' the punishment for homosexuality in the Koran?

    Heav.. (er- insert final destination here) forbid we offend anyone right?




    (*sigh*)
    .
     
  20. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    22,547
    Likes Received:
    6,082
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Go ahead and start your protest .
     
  21. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    47,624
    Likes Received:
    48,666
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Actually in times past leftwingers have attempted that with the Twain classic.
     
  22. Karma Mechanic

    Karma Mechanic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2012
    Messages:
    8,054
    Likes Received:
    83
    Trophy Points:
    48
    You do not have a 1st amendment right to force your beliefs on others.....
     
  23. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2012
    Messages:
    12,934
    Likes Received:
    108
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'd prefer it if all faiths were allowed to express their religion on public grounds (this means Christians could sing about Christmas, Muslims could sing about Ramadan, etc)

    I view this as a much more practical solution to going well out of our way to 'censor' any reference to 'religion' simply because it's on public grounds. Eventually someone might even try censoring the days of the week since they're named after Norse Gods (Thurdsay = Thor's Day, Wednesday = Woden's Day, Tuesday = Tyr's Day, etc). I mean if someone argued that this was the equivalent of the school trying to force "Nordic neopaganism" on students then how could anyone argue against it?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Because hearing a teacher say "The test is scheduled on Thursday (Thor's Day)" is the state 'forcing' me to believe in Thor. lol
     
  24. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2011
    Messages:
    14,274
    Likes Received:
    455
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Would you be fine with the school singing an Islamic holiday song? Or a Jewish one?
     
  25. thintheherd

    thintheherd New Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,465
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    0
    In what world does singing a song as written = forcing beliefs on others?

    That mode of thinking would be hilarious, if it weren't so sad.

    I heard cop killer the other day. *Damn!* Guess I gotta believe in killing cops now.

    .
     

Share This Page