School removes 'Christ the Savior' from 'Silent Night'

Hebrew is a language not a religion. If you can find out what the song was that would be great. Not knowing the meaning means it was not on par with a declaration of faith expected in the Christian song. Calling Jesus the Christ is a declaration of faith. I am not sure kids should be learning that in public school and certainly with the plethora of Christmas songs we don't need songs in the concert that are so overwhelmingly Christian.

To address other things in the thead: As for the idiotic argument about Thor's day and the Illiad....those are not part of modern majority religious practice in our culture and frankly saying Thursday is different from calling Jesus the Christ.

As for reading the Illiad, the Gospels are read in English class again as literature. But if a teacher pretends to teach it as truth then we have a problem.

 

This is what happens when you get the state to educate your children.

You have the right to homeschool your children. Exercise it. Screw their rules.

 

Is Christmas a Federal Holiday or not? Does the First Amendment say separation of church and state or not?
There sure is a war on Christmas and you have to be a first class idiot not to see it.

 

It is stupid to have Christmas as a Federal Holiday than to have some idiots say you can't use the word Christ in a song. All this came about because some stupid 1947 Liberal USSC jurist can't interpret the First Amendment and the atheist are using it like a sledge hammer over everyone.

 

There is no such thing as a "War On Christians" in America. Period. End of story. With that said though that was rather pathetic of the teacher to do. The teacher could have picked plenty of other songs to sing instead of that one if the he didn't want to offend anyone. That or he could of included various different songs from different religions/cultures to the whole event.

 

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The music for the Star Spangled Banner is an old hymn, the religious words were replaced with words about a flag.

This "war on Christians" goes way back......

Or maybe, people change the words to songs all the time and call it "being creative".......
"Surfin' USA" uses the same music as "Sweet Little Sixteen".....wanna read something into that?

 

Few things are funnier than watching members of the 80% majority whining when a single song in a Christmas program at one school gets changed by three words. Chicken Little looks reasonable by comparison.

 

There is no ????????????????? to it. Christmas is a Federal Holiday and the First Amendment doesn't even come close to saying separation of church and state and there sure is a war on Christmas. Why not call it like it is instead of beating around the bush about it? At least be honest in what you say and do. I realize there are plenty of people who don't believe and that is fine. But at least be honest about it what you want to do.

 

One day the conservatives on this forum will be nit picking lib OP's, the next they post trivial crap like this. I dont get it.

Also OP, I am going to explain something to you, and the other con's in this thread.

It's not the left has created a war on Christmas its someone/something else entirely. Oh, so dumb atheists made a billboard, a school took "Christ the Savior" out of a song? Boohoo.

If anyone has made a war on Christmas as a religious thing, its corporations. Seriously.

Christmas today is straight up the most secular religious holiday on earth, and getting more so every year. Know why? Because its become a cornerstone of first world capitalist economies. Black Friday alone accounts for up to 15% of some retailers yearly sales. Its crazy how much money is involved. Retailers and many other businesses want it to be as non religious as possible to draw in as many people to it as possible and to make it as much about the gift exchange as possible.

Whats even funnier is many of these conservatives complaining about the increasing non religiousness of Christmas are also hardcore capitalists. Guess what. This is what happens when Capitalism is allowed to flourish without limit. It strips everything down to money.

As an Atheist myself i'm not complaining, merely stating a fact.

 

people are free to start a private school or home school even..

 

actually it came about because some Christians did not want Catholics to give their propaganda in the church, it was a war among Christians, then they decided the best was to keep religion out of the school, and teach religion in Sunday school instead

when fanatical Christians think someone elses dogma is gonna be taught to their kids, they are some of the biggest whiners of them all

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Religion should be taught in church. There shouldn't be a school prayer in the morning either. But there should also not be this war on Christmas. It is a National Holiday and kids should be allowed to sing Christmas songs in school if they want. Cities should be allowed to have a Christmas parade, or put up a manger scene

 

agree religion should not be taught in school, the secular Christmas celebration is fine, no reason to bring religion into it.. save that for time with family and loved ones

btw, I do not agree with modifying the song to backdoor religion into the schools, just pick songs that are appropriate for school

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Yes it would seem a strange chain of events. Not like there are not a million other Christmas songs that carry the meaning but make no reference to Christ or virgin birth

 

.. as long as the subject material meets state criteria and the students pass state administered tests.

 

Why did women in the Old Testament who weren't virgins, accept marriage proposals and chose to get married, knowing that they would be stoned?

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Singing a song in the school choir with a few religious references it, is not the same thing as teaching religion. It doesn't violate the separation of church and state. For example, I learn about different religions in history class. Is that a violation of the Constitution? No. Would it go against the Constitution if teachers told the students that Christianity was true? Yes. Mentioning religion in school is not the same thing as teaching and promoting it. The real issue is political correctness.

 

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http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/150048/non-offensive-christmas-icon

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Nope, if some public school somewhere in the US was made up of students who were 80% Satanist, and the students in a class voted to sing a song in honor of Satan, I'd have no problem with it. Hearing a song wouldn't 'force' anyone to start worshiping Satan, so no biggie

 

I would add to the list are the ones who can't stand the mere mention of god or Jesus in any kind of way.

 

"What am I missing?"

For you, Moi, religion is not an essential part of your identity. For most people throughout history, it has been. Also, you don't consider that most people used to actually believe their religions. It wasn't just an ethnic tradition. If you can imagine that there really is a God, etc., it's obviously of the greatest consequence. So most people have felt that their religion was a big part of what defined them, their family, their community, and that the future of their soul depended on the correctness of their beliefs. Non-believers threaten all this.

In the US, easy availability of land avoided the problem - people lived in like-minded communities, and there was always someplace far away to go to. Then modern science and materialism eroded religious faith, so many people no longer care much. People pray less when there's "two chickens in every pot." That the US thrived as so diverse a society is stunning good luck of geography and economy.

The liberal ideology of multi-culturalism is very new. It's part of what defines the global elite. If you're educated, affluent, and mobile, communal traditions lose much of their importance. Such people come to see themselves as "citizens of the planet." Just remember that this viewpoint is reserved for the elite. People without much money or schooling, who can't travel freely, hold to another form of wealth - family, community, and tradition. These are what sustain most people and get them through hard times. It's only snobbery to demand that middle class and working class people have upper middle class values.

Re Islam - Muslims still believe. That's the nub of their conflict with the West. Muslims act as true believers do. The irreligious upper middle class in the US can't quite accept this. They still feel that if we all shared lattes at the beach house, this pointless fuss would go away. But it's not pointless for those animated by their faith.

So yes, it would be pleasant if we all lived in Moi's non-sectarian world, but we don't. Alas.

 

The song is about the birth of Jesus Christ, and last time i checked it was cry babies censoring (*)(*)(*)(*)ing CHRISTmas songs because it was mental whimps like you who are getting offended. I'm a atheist myself, and i clearly see the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hypocrisy gushing from you people.

 

I don't 'care' if people hear it at school or not. On the other hand if the school let students pick a song, and the students voted for a Christmas song - I'd be against banning it just because 1 student claimed they were 'offended'.

And if it was a school in Dearborn, MI or somewhere (and most students in the class were Muslim), I'd be fine with the students singing an Islamic song (and if the 1 Christian in the class was offended and believed this was 'forcing Islam on him' then I'd call him a whiner).

 

That is a horrible rationalization. You're free to leave the country if the country is doing something you don't like - regardless whether your complaint is valid or not.

That makes exactly as much sense as your statement did. We pay TAXES for these schools.

 

What you're stating is a non-sequitur. You think that deflecting into some screed about Corporations grants cover for what militant atheism is doing, but your statement is nothing more than a fart in the wind. Corporatism and anti-Christianity are not mutually exclusive, atheist.

This is another direct affront on the Christian nature of this country, and that should scare you, because there are legions more of us than there are of you.

 

Non sequitur. This is about removing Christ Himself from an iconic song, and represents nothing less than a thumb in the eye of Christians.

I find pathetic liberals who express loathing for Christianity as though they'd be respectful of unadulterated and unwavering Christianity if they saw it.