Does God Have Free Will?

Perhaps what you perceive as a change of mind is actually a planned course from the beginning.

So? I can run a mile, but that does not mean I have to run a mile.

You asked a stupid question, not me. Not everyone calls God "God"

Nope, right as always, and Man is created in God's image.

 

Do you not understand my argument because that is exactly what I am saying when we talk about God having free will. You just agreed that allowing something to happen and choosing it to in regards to God is the same thing.

Again you missed the point. We are not God, God is all knowing, our choices matter whether we have free will or not because though we can guess we have no idea what will happen because of the choices we make which is why we make bad choices. God is perfect meaning he cannot make a bad choice. This was also my point about there possibly being more than one path to perfection but that really wouldn't matter to God because he would see all those paths long before he had to choose between them and know all the outcomes of each. Being perfect their should only be one choice so what use is free will to God?

No you simply didn't understand it. If God is evolving and wasn't all knowing at the time of creation then he is not God.

Now it appears you don't even understand your own arguments. Is God irrational?

 

The Bible indicates that God changed his mind in the past. Your position is that all things are pre-determined or God cannot exist. I have yet to see you support the former by scripture or the latter by evidence.

 

I challenge what the bible says because the bible also says God is perfect and knows everything. How can such a being change it's mind?

No my position is if things are not pre-determined than the bible is wrong about God because the bible says things are pre-determined.

The bible says a lot of things, none of which have been shown to have one ounce of merit. Yet it is the bible that an entire belief system is built upon.

If your response to my questions is that it must be true because illiterate nomadic goat herders wrote it in a book 2,000 years ago than this conversation was over before it began.

 

This conversation was over before it began because you feel no need but to troll the religious to make the void in your life feel not so empty. Sometimes it is just easier to call people like that out than to play their passive-aggressive games.

 

void? that's hilarious. we're not the ones desperately clinging to sky magicians and immoral books.

meantime, I see you've gone off in a huff rather than address the points made by Vic. very void of you

 

You seem to think that knowing everything makes it impossible to change one's mind. Why would that be the case?

Funny how you claim "what the bible says" yet you don't quote it so all can see. I doubt that is a coincidence.

Yet you just based a claim on "what the bible says"....make up your mind.

The conversation was over because your mind is made up based on false information. You have no idea what you are talking about because you have bought into the atheist house of cards.

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Nah, atheists cling to myths and circular logic based on false information.

 

This topic asks the question does GOD have free will?

Well....we would first have to PROVE a GOD exists before we could start asking questions about whether a GOD has free will.

The facts are there is ZERO PROOF existing to either show a GOD to exist or not exist.

The concept of Free Will is akin to an aspect of Chaos Theory as it has been shown in nature that even the most random actions and interactions will create a Pattern upon a Greater Scale of Time Period.

AboveAlpha

 

But just how much proof is required to prove God exists? And where could this proof come from?

 

Well that is the thing about PROOF....that exists to make something a FACT.

It is NOT subjective.

Either proof exists to determine a fact or it does not.

There is no middle ground.

AboveAlpha

 

Not always. A lot of times there is just enough proof to form a theory but not enough to prove something completely true.

 

Thus if it is a Theory it is not definitive proof.

Here is the thing....Faith is in no way connected to the Scientific Method which is a system to determine the reality of all things.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh so you derive your beliefs from science?

 

Of course as Science is simply a METHOD of determining what is fact and what is fiction or what has a high or low probability of being either fact or fiction.

AboveAlpha

 

But that is only possible in our existence or what is referred to as the Natural World. God exists in far more dimensions than just the few we live in. Even the bible says our universe cannot contain God. So how is science supposed to provide proof of existence?

 

Oh dear, you are trying to talk about science with a person who thinks that science tries to do truth and proof. Good luck with that!

 

Science cannot prove or disprove anything that cannot be observed, experimented upon, or at the minimum have a basis in the hypotheticals or reality. As a supreme being does not meet even a basic minimums required to be considered by the scientific principles...it is dismissed as an unusable hypothesis.

 

Wow, let me bask in the glow of your humble nature. Tell me how is it you know so much about someone you have never met and who you have maybe traded a dozen posts with? Is it a gift from God or are you simply full of (*)(*)(*)(*)?

I would much rather debate or discuss religion with people who have the ability to actually answer questions and provide something of substance instead of someone who relies on ad hominems and logical fallacies.

If you wish to address the questions I’ve asked please continue if not you are off topic and don’t belong in my thread.

 

Did you miss the part about God being perfect? What use is it to a God who is perfect and knows everything to change his mind?

The bible says God created everything, that he is all powerful, infallible and all knowing. If you honestly don't believe it does I want to see you state it as a matter of fact so I can return to this post as an example of your biblical expertise in the future. I will then provide quotes for you.

If I'm going too fast for you let me know. I challenge claims made by the bible. There is no way to do that without directly addressing the claims made by the bible.

What false information? Be specific.

I wonder how many different fallacies you have compacted into this one sentence?

 

So science is useless in this task. It is good to se you admit that. Many atheists always appeal to science as their reasoning but as you can see this is false reasoning.

 

Yes...science is useless in any attempt to make fantasy and fiction into proven reality, as it is the process by which we designate something fictional.

 

Nah, you are wrong. Being perfect doesn't mean that a being can't change their "mind". Funny how you equate God to having human characteristics.

Most of your post is just an ad hom attack.

 

Not at all. So you are saying because we can't see or touch the human mind it doesn't exist. Nice logic....hahaha!

 

....Uh....NO, I did not say anything even remotely similar to that.....scroll up and read it again. Seriously, if you have nothing worthwhile to say....please do not simply pull stank out of yer ass, and attribute it to me.

 

Your first sentence doesn't answer the questions I asked, your second suggests that you think humans are perfect and all knowing and your last is simply untrue.