When will feminists adovocate equality?

This is not directly related to the conversation at hand, but AboveAlpha? I'm going to have to part ways with you on this ... Not for the reasons that have been posted so far, as this is just and aside, but for my own reasons.

Until we understand where problems exist we can't do anything to stop them from happening and we can't teach people how to prevent them, deal with them, and teach future generations how to avoid them.

Many years ago I became aware that certain criminal statistics are tracked for women but not men... This gap in reporting is due to pre-existing sexism, like the type that you display here... Back then I was concerned about certain domestic problems that exist in the homosexual community, and the lack of statistics and long term trends has been a hinder to me and others like me who want to bring certain domestic abuse realities into the public sphere so they can be addressed....

Problems like male rape statistics, which up until a few years ago weren't even kept because people from previous generations had no concept that men could be raped, and men were afraid to step forward for many years. These things represent a problem in the system.

Just look what happened at the Pentagon after the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell allowed troops to report male rape without fear of a dishonorable discharge... The number of male rape statistics reported by the Pentagon ballooned... And, Congress dragged all the heads of all the armed forces in to explain the situation, but, yet, years of outcry over the rapes of women were never addressed in such an overwhelming and timely fashion, yes it was very sexist.

And, since I'm all for fair statistics in all things, that we shouldn't overlook anything again after what's happened in the past, and I think we need to see where problems lie so we can address them... I want these statistics to be kept and made available, and I don't want to see anyone woman or man be afraid to report crimes. Especially if the reason is due to gender role bravado... Therefore, I'm disappointed by this direction you have taken regarding male identity.

Do women suffer most from domestic abuse? Yes.
Are women the vast majority of victims of such abuse? Yes.
Does that mean men never get abused? No.
Should we help everyone? Yes.

So, tell me AboveAlpha, How many actual domestic abuse incidents have you been a target of? I want you to think for a moment and be honest. Are you 100% sure that you know the reality and have the key all to this? Or, are you throwing out there a knee jerk reaction that you learned years ago from gender bravado instead of actual experience, and which might as well have come from the mouths of the stone age people you might visit soon?

Just a thought. Remember this is an aside, in no way related to the greater topic at hand, and I'm in no way threatening women or their reproductive choices, that's not my intension, so keep that in mind if you reply.

 

Your belief is an opinion not a fact. Your opinion is not supported by proof, rather it's discredited by proof.

Did you read any of the studies I posted?

 

That's your opinion. It's not a fact.

Your opinion is not supported by proof, rather it's discredited by proof, a lot of proof in the form of empirical studies from peer reviewed scientific journals.

CURRENT CONTROVERSIES AND PREVALENCE
CONCERNING FEMALE OFFENDERS
OF INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE
Why the Overwhehning Evidence on Partner
Physical Violel.1~e1>y"\Vo1ll.enHas Not Been
Perceived and Is Often Denied
MURRAY A. STRAUS
Universi(y o/New Hampshire, Durham, New Hampshire, USA
Over 200 studies have found about the same percentage ofwomen
as men physically assault partners, and that the risk factors and
motivations are mostly the same as for men. Explanations are
suggested for why this fundamental fact has not been perceived by
the public and practitioners' including concealment and denial
by many academics who know the research. Explanations for
concealment and denial are also presented, with discussion ofthe
adverse effect that misperception and denial have had on prevention
and treatment programs, The practical implications of
recognizing gender symmetry in partner violence are discussed.

http://newmalestudies.com/OJS/index.php/...view/59/59

 

When I went to Alaska, there were stories of the gold rush.

One was about people boating down the Yukon, and how a woman on one of the craft fell into the river.

Her guy was trying to get his boat over to her , but someone else dived in and saved her, getting her into his boat. Guy number one was then able to maneuver his boat alongside

She jumped back into his boat... grabbed her things, went back to the boat with the guy who saved her.

I see Above A presenting as guy number 2. Our whiners here, as the guy who lost.*

At a time like that, considerations of "equality" and "rights" have no meaning. If it had been me, Id have done the same, and the man who rescued me would get his reward, times over. No matter if he had not shaved or bathed in weeks. Hero vs wimp, hero wins.

Some time later, I would start thinking about what I could do with this raw material, if I could make him into something that could be civilized.

*Our loser would have, if he was smart, headed back upriver at that point. People are still telling the story, and it would have spread down the river faster than a raven could fly. "Oh, you are the guy who...!" Smirks, fingers pointing. He could only go home, hoping the story would never get back there.

Doesnt matter if she was his sister, or the meanest woman north of the 48th parallel.

He was still exposed in the eyes of all as a non-man, a loser.

Here, our losers seek out a women's rights forum to expose themselves.

 

All of that is your choice and no one objects.

The problem is that if you also choose to take that man's house and kids with you while demanding he pay child support and alimony then you are proving you have no interest in human rights for men and believe in gynocentric superiority.

This is what is common in our society and all the while the women doing this to men are the whiners complaining about equal rights for women or womyn.

Feminists have had their day and have created a disaster their time is over whether they like it or not. Misandry is far more common than misogony and men are simply up and walking away. No whining just " see ya" . The Heroic guy in youe folk tale IS the one choosing this and you are left with the inferior male like above alpha.

The real irony is you asked for it sister. Men are doing what womyn have been claiming to be doing for decades now. Merely claiming their lives and independence. When womy did it most men were silent now that men are doing it you can only screech insults such as whiner and loser or pathetic or barren or whatever.

 

Wow, what a story, taikoo! In times like that things are the way they are... Yes. I think AboveAlpha is definitely the second guy.

Don't get me wrong, AboveAlpha is a great guy and his merit speaks for itself... But, sometimes, not always but sometimes, I disagree with some words he uses because it strikes a cord with me. There are times when he is rough around the edges. He's earned it, it's not a big deal, but sometimes I could just hit him with a pillow~!

I think you're a woman taikoo... What do you think when AboveAlpha says women are "slaves to Hormonal releases" ?

 

I wish I could agree with you, because it supports my own agenda, but your "New Male Studies" site has an agenda of its own, it isn't unbiased.

 

I think that if he and I were somehow marooned on a desert island, that there would be a period of adjustment in which he found out that some of his ideas are not going to work with me.

If it is someone like most of the guys who post here, if they are anything as they present, the island would not be big enough for both of us.

 

That sounds about right.

You know what? I don't know anything about you, but I already like you... even if I might be swimming with the fishes later...

As for the other guys here, if they hate women so much, they can go gay... But I doubt they'll have much luck with that either.

You know, men like children a lot... they like having children. One day they can grow their own in a test tube.

 

Oh, I see.

I guess the rumors that guys come here to pick on women, because it gives them a sick thrill are also unfounded?

 

Uh yes.

Try reading the posts it is mainly the women doing the judgeing insulting and picking on men.

 

I suggest you talk with women before you try to have kids with them. This prevents a lot of last minute drama.

If you don't like how things are going in a relationship walk away.

You still have to pay child support. That's the law of the states talking. Someone has to pay for the kid(s), and if you have money it isn't going to be the state...

 

By the way, why are you posting in the women's rights section if you want to talk about men's rights?

 

Because some men are more emotional than any woman. Its a simple case of uterus envy.

 

So funny!

 

Awww, maybe you'll feel better if you get a valentine, huh?

 

So you deny science. Denying science and creating their own, 'bogus science,' is a typical tactic of anti-intellectualism used by feminists. Feminst's use of anti-intellectualism is one reason why the term, 'feminazi' is not just fair, it's accurate.

 

Having children? Vasectomies are cheap and even easy to reverse so that is not an issue. I talk to women all the time and it is always the women creating drama where none needs to be. Such as a reasonable discussion about the inequality of feminist views which suddenly turns into a judgement of another's lifestyle.

Yes people should be free to walk away from a relationship unfortunately feminists have and continue to build a legal structure where men are punished for exactly that. Or even punished if the woman tries to walk away.

That in fact is one of the main issues this thread is about. Slightly over half of all first marriages fail. The man ends up suffering the most in such failed marriages. He tends to lose his home, his children and his wife and much or most of his income in chalimony. Divorce is most often filed by women and usually for no reason or trivial reason ( no reason in no fault divorce states ). This all means men are investing their lives and income in building a family which is wrecked and destroyed for them at the whim of a woman who has the courts on her side. It is no coincidence that the suicide rate for divorced men is 3 times greater than women in general. Feminists love to talk about equality but refuse to addres these inequalities which they created and defend. The law of the states you quote is vehemently supported and defended by feminists who insist women be treated equally.

It is also very interesting how you put it that if you have money you will be paying because the state will not. This is precisely why we see a growing number of men being forced by the state to pay for children which they did not even father. And once again this is precisely the inequality which feminsts love and support while claiming to be about equal rights.

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