Navy releases map showing location of fleet positions during Benghazi attacks

It's not kindergarten. Clinton had the intelligence and the only thing he decided to do was pass the buck to Bush. Which is not only irresponsible, but it made the Monica scandal just so completely stupid and irrelevant.

 

If Clinton had the intelligence since 1999, and it happened in 2001 with Bush, seems to me Bush may have in fact been at kindergarten at the time of the attack but had two years to prepare since 1999. At least Clinton was attending big boy Kindergarten. I can't say the same for Bush. https://www.google.com/search?q=ima...08%2Fgeorge-bush-memoirs-september-11;460;276

 

you're confused



Measures taken by the Clinton administration to thwart international terrorism and bin Laden's network were historic, unprecedented and, sadly, not followed up on. Consider the steps offered by Clinton's 1996 omnibus anti-terror legislation, the pricetag for which stood at $1.097 billion. The following is a partial list of the initiatives offered by the Clinton anti-terrorism bill:

Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million

Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million

Passenger Profiling: $10 million

Screener Training: $5.3 million

Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million

Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4 million

Provide Additional Air/Counterterrorism Security: $26.6 million

Explosives Detection Training: $1.8 million

Augment FAA Security Research: $20 million

Customs Service: Explosives and Radiation Detection Equipment at Ports: $2.2 million

Anti-Terrorism Assistance to Foreign Governments: $2 million

Capacity to Collect and Assemble Explosives Data: $2.1 million

Improve Domestic Intelligence: $38.9 million

Critical Incident Response Teams for Post-Blast Deployment: $7.2 million

Additional Security for Federal Facilities: $6.7 million

Firefighter/Emergency Services Financial Assistance: $2.7 million

Public Building and Museum Security: $7.3 million

Improve Technology to Prevent Nuclear Smuggling: $8 million

Critical Incident Response Facility: $2 million

Counter-Terrorism Fund: $35 million

Explosives Intelligence and Support Systems: $14.2 million

Office of Emergency Preparedness: $5.8 million

The Clinton administration poured more than a billion dollars into counterterrorism activities across the entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a reorganization of the intelligence community itself.

http://www.truth-out.org/archive/item/65173:clinton-911-and-the-facts

 

And what do you suppose that means........in your professional military opinion.

 

Nice list! Can't wait for the rebuttal.

 

Obama bashed bush for not escalating Afghanistan, then obama ordered a SURGE....

 

And I'll bet you think you have a point to make. What's stopping you?

 

And a Soldiers duty? You forgot that part.

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They could have had attack choppers right off shore on destroyers, Hillary had 6 months to get that done.

 

show me what obama said

no, i didn't

 

It is????

Congressional Record: September 26, 2002 (Senate)
Page S9364-S9366

HOMELAND SECURITY

In September 1998, the Intelligence Community obtained information that Usama Bin Laden's next operation could involve flying an aircraft loaded with explosives into a U.S. airport and detonating it; this information was provided to senior U.S. Government officials in late 1998.

In the fall of 1998, the Intelligence Community received additional information concerning a Bin-Laden plot involving aircraft in the New York and Washington, DC, areas;

In November 1998, the Intelligence Community learned that a Bin Laden was attempting to recruit a group of five to seven young men from the United States to strike U.S. domestic targets.

In the spring of 1999, the Intelligence Community learned about a planned Bin Laden attack on a U.S. Government facility in Washington, DC.

Additionally, in 1999, the threat of an explosive-laden aircraft being used in a suicide attack against the Pentagon, CIA headquarters, or the White House, was noted in a Library of Congress report to the National Intelligence Council.

In late 1999, the Intelligence Community learned of Bin Laden's possible plans to attack targets in Washington, DC, and New York City during the New Year's Millennium celebrations.

On December 14, 1999, an individual named Ahmed Ressam was arrested as he attempted to enter the United States from Canada with detonator materials in his car. Ressam's intended target was Los Angeles International Airport. Ressam, who has links to Usama Bin Laden's terrorist network, has not been formally sentenced yet.

In March 2000, the Intelligence Community obtained information regarding the types of targets that operatives in Bin Laden's network might strike. The Statue of Liberty was specifically mentioned, as were skyscrapers, ports, and airports, and nuclear power plants;

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092602.html

He musta forgot with all the intern activity.

 

I believe we've already established that attack helicopters don't operate from destroyers. I think we've also confirmed that you have a lot of opinions about things which you know absolutely nothing about.

 

I must have missed the link, please point it out. If they can operate an SR-60 from a destroyer, then there is no good reason they can't do the same for an Marine AH-1 Super Cobra. If there is link to it, if you know what you're talking about that is.

 

yes, it is

 

I don't need a link....you do. Perhaps you fail to understand the primary function of a destroyer; it's designed specifically to escort carrier groups. Destroyers are designed to engage surface and air targets, and submarines. Why on earth do you imagine an attack helicopter would operate from a destroyer? What do you think SR-60 does? It's for maritime patrol/anti submarine and rescue. Did you want our destroyers unable to preform their regular duties?

 

And I don't want to forget to mention that all the math equations on this thread add up to jack ****.

 

The U.S.S. Laboon could launch this helicopter, but not a Super Cobra? With you obvious knowledge of military operations, I'm sure you'll explain in detail why......won't you?

Your choking in minutia. If you follow the link in the OP and look at the map, you will clearly see the USS New York (LPD-21) carrying, two CH-53E Super Stallion, two MV-22B Osprey tiltrotor aircraft, four CH-46 Sea Knight, four AH-1 SeaCobra or four UH-1 Iroquois helicopters as well as an Embarked Landing Force of 699, is at the south end of the Red Sea. I surely wouldn't have even taken that ship 3 months to make it to off shore from Benghazi.

The point is Hillary had up to six months with ample warning to do something like get the USS New York in position off shore in Benghazi AND get permission from the Libyan Government, can you shed some insight as to why that didn't happen?

 

You are apparently unfamiliar with the difference between a DD and an LPD.

Here's what so called conservatives think a spontaneous rescue mission would look like.....

[video=youtube;SQRGuX_a5Fg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQRGuX_a5Fg[/video]

And here's the reality.....

[video=youtube;7SLAs6jbIjE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLAs6jbIjE[/video]

 

The U.S.S. Laboon could launch this helicopter, but not a Super Cobra?



With your obvious knowledge of military operations, I'm sure you'll explain in detail why......won't you?

 

Hillary Clinton had up to six months to make arrangement for Consulate Security considering........

• March 18, 2012 – Armed robbery occurs at the British School in Benghazi.

• March 22, 2012 – Members of a militia searching for a suspect fire their weapons near the SMC and attempt to enter.

• April 2, 2012 – A UK armored diplomatic vehicle is attacked after driving into a local protest. The vehicle was damaged but occupants uninjured.

• April 6, 2012 – A gelatina bomb (traditional homemade explosive deviceused for fishing) is thrown over the SMC north wall.

• April 10, 2012 – An IED (gelatina or dynamite stick) is thrown at the motorcade of the UN Special Envoy to Libya in Benghazi.

• April 26, 2012 – Special Mission Benghazi principal officer is evacuatedfrom International Medical University (IMU) after a fistfight escalated to gunfire between Tripoli - based trade delegation security personnel and IMU security.

• April 27, 2012 – Two South African nationals in Libya as part of U.S. funded weapons abatement, unexploded ordnance removal and demining project are detained at gunpoint by militia, questioned and released.

• May 22, 2012 – Benghazi International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) building struck by rocket propelled grenades (RPGs).

• May 28, 2012 – A previously unknown organization, Omar Abdurrahman group, claims responsibility for the ICRC attac
k and issues a threat against the United States on social media sites.

• June 6, 2012 – IED attack on the SMC . The IED detonates with no injuries but blows a large hole in the compound’s exterior wall. Omar Abdurrahman group makes an unsubstantiated claim of responsibility.

• June 8, 2012 – Two hand grenades target a parked UK diplomatic vehicle in Sabha (800 km south of Benghazi).

• June 11, 2012 – While in Benghazi, the British Ambassador’s convoy is attacked with an RPG and possible AK-47s. Two UK security officers are injured; the UK closes its mission in Benghazi the following day.

• June 12, 2012 – An RPG attack is made on the ICRC compound in Misrata (400 km west of Benghazi).

• June 18, 2012 – Protestors storm the Tunisian consulate in Benghazi.

• July 29, 2012 – An IED is found on grounds of the Tibesti Hotel.

• July 30, 2012 – Sudanese Consul in Benghazi is carjacked and driver beaten.

• July 31, 2012 – Seven Iranian - citizen ICRC workers abducted in Benghazi.

• August 5, 2012 – ICRC Misrata office is attacked with RPGs. ICRC
withdraws its representatives from Misrata and Benghazi.

•
August 9, 2012 – A Spanish - American dual national NGO worker is
abducted from the Islamic Cultural Center in Benghazi and released the same day.

• August 20, 2012 – A small bomb is thrown at an Egyptian diplomat’s vehicle parked outside of the Egyptian consulate in Benghazi.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

Any Hillary defenders care to tell us what she did?

 

It certainly could be launched from a DD. But why would an attack helicopter be embarked in the first place?

 

Uh.....to protect the consulate in Benghazi maybe?

 

I see, in anticipation. If an attack were anticipated, much like 911, then warships designed to carry attack helicopters could have been stationed there.

 

Let me make sure I understand you correctly after all the below, Hillary anticipated NO attack is that correct?

I think that's par for the course with the Clinton's. Look what her husband missed in the 2 years before 9/11/2001. How Ironic is is Hillary should warning signs before 9/11/2012.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

 

I have no idea what was anticipated......and neither do you or anyone else on this forum. And you never will.

 

That simply isn't true. The results prove what was or in this case was NOT anticipated by the State Dept under Hillary Clinton. Had they looked at the situation as I posted, anyone with 3 working synapses in their head would anticipate an attack. The Clinton State Dept obviously didn't due to this.....

Obviously, The Clinton State Dept anticipates something completely different and got 4 Americans killed in the process.