Is obama on Putin's side or is he just a useful idiot? You Decide

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  1. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    probably cause it was a relatively small earmark on a military funding bill or something, not worth vetoing just for that one single reason.

    like say it was attached to a bill to provide Strykers to the military to protect service members.

    Do you remember Ron Paul? He was mr earmark, in many ways, but he never voted for any of them.

    he would earmark stuff for his district, and then vote against the bill, knowing commies were gonna jam the bill through, no matter what.
     
  2. Goldwater

    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think that we wouldn't allow a president to ruin America. We'd impeach him/her long before they did anything we can't undo.

    Of course if a president were diablolical and crazy, they might have a slight chance of getting some nukes fired off, but really I think you give Obama too much credit to think he can actually affect things that much.

    You hear all this "radical transformation" stuff from the right, but for 99% of us, our lives are really no different than they were in 2007.
     
  3. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't that what Obama told Romney when Romney said Russia was our biggest threat? Maybe that Star Wars shield idea isn't so goofy after all.
     
  4. Yosh Shmenge

    Yosh Shmenge New Member

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    I'm certain that killing that shield for Putin gave him the impression that Obama was a useful idiot.
    Obama's debate claims that Romney was still in the sixties with his foreign policy concerns about Russia only shows the fact free bubble Obama exists in. I guess he was playing golf when Putin gobbled up parts of Georgia.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    How many nuclear deals should we turn our backs on? This is number 2 for this administration.
     
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    johnmayo New Member Past Donor

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    Your thinking of TARP. That was paid back with "interest". The stimulus was the other 800 billion they spent in the American Recovery Act.
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What decade is this? I thought we knew by now that nobody wins a nuclear war.

    I get that the far right thinks that they're defenseless without arms. If the Ukraine bombed Russia with nuclear weapons, it may kill as many Ukrainians as Russians.
     
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    He signed away their small arms as a Senator. In 2009, he re-affirmed Clinton's 1994 initiative that guaranteed Ukraine's sovereignty.

    No wonder the rest of the world hates us. They can't rely on us when they need us the most. This hateful, bigoted President needs to go. Where, I don't care, but as far away from power as possible.

    This is what happens when you elect children instead of adults.
     
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    Indeed. It does seem, however, that Obama has a penchant for setting precedent.
     
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    You mean like when they overstep their power by bypassing Congress with phone and pen? Congress is full of like-minded ideologues [Senate] and go-along-to-get-along RINOs [House]. Even if the RINOs pushed for impeachment, the Ideologues would never support it.

    Sure it is. Unfortunately, however, the sheeple haven't noticed because the President is acting like the Legislative branch with his constant revisions and delays of his signature legislation.
     
  11. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    If ukraine had its nukes it would have a Deterrant. Why don't you name me one nuclear nation that has been invaded and conquered.
     
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    LMAO... ^ This is what happens when right-wingers can't deal with Obama's complexion.
    They suffer brain fart after brain fart, spouting the most delusional nonsense imaginable.
     
  14. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    oh, so it has nothing to do with russia taking over the Ukraine?

    This is all about the color of obamas skin?

    Im sure the Ukrainians will be so happy to hear it.
     
  15. Goldwater

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    The vast majority of your posts are rational and poignant.

    Every now and then, and I can count them on one hand, you seem to post stuff that sounds like some crazy person logged in using your ID.

    I'm very doubtful about the more conspiratorial stuff. We see movies like Syriana and others that dramatize all these shadow elements in government, and even though they do exist, I think the actions most of them carry out don't come along with a sweeping musical score.

    I think Obama is way more boring than righties would like, and a whole lot less contemptuous of liberty, freedom, and the constitution than rightes are told.

    And the way you can tell if you've strayed too far from our likely reality, is to accuse me of not being "awake". Like that nut ball from infowars. I saw a documentary on that guy and he should be treated.
     
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    An odd comment, especially considering that the Crimean Parliament voted to be reunited with Russia, an action supported by a majority of the Russian populace, who vehemently opposed being given away to the Ukraine in the first place by a drunken Khrushchev, although at the time the Ukraine was part of Russia so no one thought it was a big deal.

    Crimea WANTS to be part of Russia! Why can't the warmongering Righties at least pick an excuse for war where the "oppressed" are ACTUALLY oppressed?!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26465962
    Maybe we should start wars where the populace WANTS to be free of their government, like in Syria? Oh, wait, the warmongering Republican Right opposes that war....
     
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    I bet he wished he had listened more closely to Romney now and asked a few questions rather than come off like a smart ass as he did during the debate. Who is looking foolish now?
     
  18. flyboy56

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    Crimea is part of Ukraine now regardless of what you think of Khrushchev. The parliament vote is null and void without the entire population of Ukraine voting. And the next referendum will also be null and void as well.
     
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    :lol:

    So all you Righties and Republicans want the USA to declare war on Russia and invade Crimea, in order to tell the Crimeans that the USA is NOT going to let them go back to Russia like they want to, but the USA is going to FORCE them to stay in their unwanted position as a vassal state of the Ukraine.

    YessireeBob, that sure sounds like a something that will be a better deal for the USA than Vietnam, Iraq, and Korean Wars COMBINED! The military contractors like Halliburton are drooling over this Excellent Plan! :roll:
     
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    You might be interested in this latest assessment from Chancellor Merkel.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579435712480543956
     
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    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that "null and void" thing came from Kerry.

    - - - Updated - - -

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry urged Russia to abandon the proposed referendum on the annexation of Crimea, Reuters reported. Kerry said he said that if Russia holds the referendum, the U.S. and Europe will take a "serious series of steps" on Monday against Russia.

    A state department official told the New York Times that Kerry said the referendum would "close any available space for diplomacy."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/13/kerry-russia-crimea-referendum-ukraine-_n_4957041.html
     
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    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, yes, I have no doubt that numerous European, and multinational corporate interests have ll kinds of reasons they want to keep Crimea as part of the Ukraine.

    And diplomatically, opposing a unilateral annexation by a large power, even if the local populace wants it, may be a good idea too!

    But it is NOT an American military matter, the USA has NO business threatening war over this particular little family squabble, and I for one am happy a hell to let he Europeans spearhead the opposition to this potential can of worms from Hell.

    Boycott away, but militarily??? God, I am so glad we have no Right Wing Republican cowboys in charge to run up another bunch of trillion$ in war and death.
     
  23. Serfin' USA

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    You really buy into the rhetoric, eh?

    He's just a mouthpiece. Obama serves the same people Bush did. The military industrial complex picks and chooses conflicts. This one doesn't offer them much, so we're awkwardly trying to stay out for the most part.

    We saw a lot more to gain with Libya and Syria.

    This isn't about conservatives vs. progressives. It's about whether or not intervention serves a strategic or economic interest. Crimea doesn't serve much of a purpose for us, but it does serve a purpose for Russia.
     
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    I'll be happy to give you another reason. The American people are not going to back another hopeless military adventure on the heels of two catastrophic defeats. If you want to fight the Russians, round up a posse and do it on your own.
     
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    "Hope and change we can believe in", because Obama's word can be trusted. I think you are in for a huge let down.
     

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