Hybrid cars are a complicated waste.

I have stated in this thread (or maybe another hybrid thread yesterday?) that the only really compelling reason to buy a hybrid is because they reduce our dependance on foreign oil. And that is a REALLY compelling reason. Conservatives want to increase domestic production of oil, build a pipeline, etc. These are the things that will most readily impact the flow of oil money to those who hate us. It is liberals who are blocking those initiatives, while complaining about 'obscene profits of oil companies' and such. Renewable energy is the future, but it's not ready for prime time yet.

I did the following analysis a couple of years ago. You can adjust the fuel cost and recalculate to see where payback becomes feasible:

 

Being able to fill up with gasoline when empty..... no electric car has the range of most hybrids. What electric car do you own?

 

If we're talking about emissions, I don't know why we aren't working on the same technology as modern trucks now have. I'm going to shock everyone by saying this, so please make sure you're sitting.

Good.

ALL TRUCKS MANUFACTURED SINCE 2009 EMMIT NO EMISSIONS WHATSOEVER!

That's right. In fact, the air that comes out is often cleaner than what's taken in, trucks clean the air. With a diesel particulate filter and a very inexpensive, environmentally friendly liquid called DEF, made from water and urea, the diesel exhaust is thoroughly scrubbed from the air. It isn't cars that are leading the way to eliminating vehicle based pollution, it's TRUCKS!

Why can't we do that for cars?

 

What does coal have to do with hybrid vehicles? And your other links do not support your assertion.

 

Please show me the calculations or actual figures that show this. I very much doubt that.

 

Then post the link from the Concerned Scientists Group.

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We ARE changing "the method of our Electrical Generation" - it's called solar and wind.

 

Cars can be filled with gasoline when they're empty? You don't say.

How about this: forgetting the gas station and just plugging your car in at home.

 

What if I want to drive from Raleigh to Washington DC to attend the John Stewart rally?

 

Again, show us figures that prove or show your statement above.

Charging an electric car is pretty cheap. A Tesla requires about 50KW/hrs for 150 miles. KW/Hr at average US costs about 12 cents per kw/hr. that means 150 miles costs about $6, or 25 miles cost $1. At $3.70 a gallon (price I saw this morning), that's the cost equivalent of having a car that gets 92.5 miles per gallon.

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S

 

A couple of things:

• Right now gas is $3.65 at corner stations, $3.51 at Costco.
• The latest Honda Civic Hybrid has upped it's MPG to 47. I imagine the new Prius top the old 44MPG.
• There is more domestic oil production under President Obama (praise be unto Him!) than ever before in America, so it's BS to say Liberals are blocking it.

 

Reference for the above. No offense, but I'm not going to just take your word for it. You make a claim, you back it up. Only 37% of our electricity is generated by coal, and that has gone down since 2009 when it was about 44%.
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

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Hard to plug in if you're 20 miles from home......

Anyway, what electric car do you own?

 

Can't be. They have emissions, just not the emissions of particulates. They still emit nitrogen dioxide and carbon dioxide, for example.

Diesel cars do use that technology. Gas cars (and trucks) don't emit much in the way of particulate pollution.

Question: does anybody Google anymore? It's not that hard, and you can find factual information.

 

I was going to post this clip until I saw you already had!

Gorn Captain, you can criticize the Right all you want, but what about Obama's decision to help out Fiskar?? Ya $100,000+ hybrid luxury cars was a great investment. That company is now falling apart.

 

So, click the link in the analysis I posted, update the numbers, and see if you save money driving a hybrid. My guess is, you still won't ever recoup the hybrid premium in fuel savings.

 

Even harder to fill up your car with gas from home.

 

So how does THIS work for you? You just post hit and run, and don't reply to the posts you can't refute?

 

You realize those are natural gases, right? Trucks do what other vehicles don't, put no pollution into the air. This is something that should be celebrated. Since you aren't aware of this development, I'll give you a link for more info. http://dieselcleanup.org/technology.html

 

Just look under the hood of an old evaporative cooler and one can see how simple an electric motor drive train might be...

 

Battery swapping is stupid...batteries must be recharged while the vehicle is in use, either from onboard charge systems or from on-road charge systems...

 

For decades now you can take any car or truck and have it converted to an all-electric vehicle and it's relatively inexpensive...

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When the recharging systems are built into the roads you will achieve close to infinite...

 

Really? What company turns any car or truck into electric? Where can I have this done?

 

Plugging in hybrids/electrics are using electricity which is already being produced and distributed. How many plug-in cars would be required to force a public utility company to increase their power production?

And when people are driving these vehicles their CO2 footprint is much smaller than ICE vehicles.

It's not a chuckle...

 

I'm all for this, but exaggerating the benefits doesn't help. It's not zero emissions of particulates, but greatly reduced emissions of particulates.

You do realize that article does not say that the trucks have zero emissions, just a lot less than they used to.



Note the right hand side is not zero emissions, but just very low emissions.

Just because a gas is natural, doesn't make it safe and something that we want in high concentrations. Cyanide is a naturally occurring gas as is carbon monoxide.

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What electric car do you own?

 

There are electric car CONVERTERS in most areas. Also, and again relatively inexpensive, any car or truck can be converted to CNG fuel. We've had these options for decades...

 

he doesn't understand what he's reading....it's particulates(soot) not CO2, diesels actual produce more CO2 per liter than gas burning engines, diesels just get better mileage...