This is why people don't like having their wealth confiscated

What if they were like 10,000 times healthier and they lived to be 300, and most children died at the age of 7....

 

Well say someone is 50,000 times as healthy as you are, and they monopolize the gym, and most people don't live beyond the age of 10....and they they get processed into a drink that gives the healthy people the protein they need to be so healthy....

 

I agree, it amazes me how some people think it's "selfish" to want to keep the money you earn...what I think is selfish is blowing all your money on drugs (or other things you don't need), and then claiming you have a right to someone else's money, now THAT'S selfish.

 

That's because it is. Reminds me of a friend I had who once saw I guy driving around in a nice car and said "I bet his Daddy bought it for him!" - who cares if he did. A parent should have the right to give things to their kids, whether the kids "earned" it or not in the eyes of some jealous moron.

 

Burden's not on me to disprove such an asinine, fabricated statement.

 

Oh golly, that is hilarious - so hilarious that even a Neanderthal would realise it to be a joke

do you have any more 14yr old boy analogies for us?

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At that point, I stopped reading.

Christ does not exist. The Christians are Jews.

 

Seeing that you didn't understand my original post, I see no reason why you should understand it now, so I will close by saying that most people aren't interested in collecting redistributed wealth. They are interested in having the same opportunity to have their own wealth by using fair practices. Tax breaks for the wealthy never accomplished that fairness. The foundation for fairness has to be established first, before others are able to pull their own weight.

 

Were they all honest? If they were 10,000 times healthier through honest effort, then fine.

There are many wealthy people who earned their position, nobody gave it to them. The idea that every wealthy person got to that point through deceit and theft is wrong.

There are major exceptions. People that use their wealth and power to buy political favors in the form of laws friendly to their own agenda, or laws that penalize their competition, are being unfair and "unAmerican". Thats not just the big wigs at Goldman Sachs and GE, its also big crony's at the UAW and SEIU.

 

People don't have much of a choice for many such goods these days. This is the fault of inadequate government protection due to deregulation, not of consumer choices. It's this allowing businesses to move manufacturing overseas and then import the products here at a lower cost to the company that is harming us. Also, don't forget that in a free market system the lowest price is supposed to be rewarded. That keeps prices down for everyone, thus everyone wins. It's the rules that need changing, IOW, we need responsible, responsive government that looks out for our interests, not those of business tycoons and banksters.

I like Germans, and unlike the Chinese, they work for comparable wages to our own. I would have no qualms about buying a German-made car, or at least not for this particular reason. Again, if they can deliver a superior product at a good price point, then they deserve to be rewarded with our business, and that once again is the free market at work..

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It was a pretty good analogy, actually. It sums up how I feel about the government trying to take my money and give it to morons who start popping out kids without the financial means to support them, etc.

 

Right I see - we can all become super fit by working out.

We can all become equal.

Just like we can all become rich - ie: all the same.

Sounds like Fascism to me.

 

I work out regularly.

I don't then spend my time admiring the results in the mirror allowing my ego to fool me into a false belief that I'm an "amazing Adonis" and that others are "fat and unattractive" and "lazy and unmotivated" but rather I spend that time teaching those who, for whatever reason, are less fortunate than I am how they, too, can improve their well being.

 

This has got to be the most egotistical thread of the month

 

If people spent as much time developing their minds as they spend on their bodies the quality of discourse on this forum would improve significantly.

 

Wealth Fairness?

Fairness whether applied to wealth or anything else is strictly subjective.

 

Christ was Caesar.

 

It all boils down to you getting out of life what your willing to put in it. I don't envy the rich. I get mad at myself that I didn't make better decisions and didn't take advantage of opportunities given me. It caused me to work much harder and longer than I had to. It caused me to be poorer than I needed to be. But even so, I got some needed advice from my in-laws of how to take advantage of what little I had and turn it into some wealth. Not enough to be rich, but enough that we have been able to help our three kids and several grandkids. But it meant doing things differently than I was and a lot of sacrificing. Nothing worth while comes easy. Only one you can really count on to make your life better is yourself.

 

You would think a working man and a union man all my working life, I would be a Democrat and I was. All the way from Kennedy through Carter. It wasn't until Carter that I realized the Democratic Party isn't going to help me have a better life. It's what I do my self that is going to make my life better. The two Parties haven't helped us. If anything they have hurt us. But I think the Republicans are more in tune with my thinking now. Not that I agree with everything they do, I don't. Not by a long shot. But the Democratic Party made me feel I couldn't get ahead without them. The hell I can't.

 

You go to the gym to do your push-ups. The gym-owner keeps those push-ups and then pays you in gym tokens.

Screw the gym. Do your push-ups at home. See how long the gym-owner lasts without you.

The analogy in the OP is wrong, by the way. Statistically speaking, higher-income people are more likely to support higher taxes on their own income, 'cause with money comes the greater likelihood of education and the ability to do the math that indicates that higher taxes on the rich works out better for everyone, including the rich. It's the poor people that have been brainwashed by FOX and the republican party to hate themselves and equate their own property rights with the rights of fictional corporate entities that want lower taxes for the rich.

Is all taxation criminal, by its compulsory nature? Sure, maybe. But if we are going to have taxes, the rich should pay more. That's just math. And since they gain far more from the taxation than poor people do, it's entirely just.

 

I'll bet a hog against a huckleberry you just made that up. Though there are certainly loud voices on the rich fat-cat Left like from Warren Buffett calling for higher taxes (that he knows he'll be able to avoid) but there's no way that people with money are clamoring for government to take more of it. The problem is, you on the Left can't keep your lies consistent. You claim that the rich all put their money in offshore accounts to avoid taxation and then claim that the rich want more taxation. You can't have it both ways.

Stop lying.

 

how does another person's lifestyle choices and luck affect you choice to sit on the couch and eat HO-HOs?

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(that's if you're in to HO-HOs instead of Twinkies. i'm not here to judge.)

 

I'm sorry, did you miss the premise of this thread?
Health is something that can be distributed, and some people have ended up with most of it, by monopolizing gyms and grinding up poor children to make health drinks. And conservatives are supposed to think that's great....

Silly isn't it?

 

so this means you're passing up on the grilled aborted crack babies food truck idea?

i got the premise, what you missed was the point. it doesn't matter how much polish you hand out, it doesn't work on turds. if you give a chav a fortune, he'll still be picking up trash in his 30s.

 

Funny thing about "the rich." The names change. Some of today's "rich" may very well be tomorrow's middle class.

Where are the Posts? The Vanderbilts? The Huntingtons?

There are no Rockefellers in the Forbes 400 any more and T. Boone Pickens has dropped out. The Walton heirs will be gone from that list in a few years.

Somebody is working hard to supplant them this very minute.

 

Ahh, so the premise is that if the economic system concentrates the wealth among a few families, that's for the best, even the people with less are better off because a few can use $100 bills to light their cigars....and that doing anything to change the economic system to achieve a broader distribution of wealth, even if it results in increasing the total wealth, is Marxist-Leninist-Maoist tripe.....because it's like working out in a gym, if I do more, lift more, I get fitter, and I get better health, except for the part about the proportionality.
Because if I am really good about getting to the Y and eating properly I may live to be 90 or 100, but if I smoke and drink and eat deep fried butter, I might not live to be 70...

See, the gym analogy fails, because it doesn't account for the huge discrepancy in wealth, with some people having a million times as much as other people, who put in the same time and worked just as long.

 

Of course Post #43 is entirely fictional - and irrelevant.