Illegals Pouring Into Our Country

Nice spin. They are not "residents" they are illegals. Sorry your prohibition strawman is pathetic. Those were US Citizens that did not agree with a law. US Citizens breaking immigrations themselves would be US Citizens breaking another countries immigration laws or breaking US immigration laws by being caught smuggling in illegals.

The laws that you say "cant" be enforced are not being enforced. Perhaps if we made some attempt at securing the border and going by the immigration laws already on the books you would have a point.

 

Yes, let's pretend his sex scandals had no affect on his poll numbers. The fact that he was ever in the lead ahead of his white fellow candidates is problematic for your argument that the GOP base is racist.

Here, educate yourself.

You know, I hear all the time about how the Republican party has apparently moved so far to the right, but I think it only looks that way because Democrats have moved so far to the left.

Your white guilt is noted. Progressives need to keep telling themselves these things because it helps them justify increasing their demands upon the white majority.

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We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can get entitlements under control while defending our borders, which is something we are supposed to do.

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What a silly statement. How is not giving just anybody who wants to be here citizenship akin to segregation?

 

I think at this point he is just throwing out as many strawmen and talking points as he can to look like he actually has a debate on the matter outside of " people dont like it so neener"

 

It takes a British engineer years to immigrate to the U.S.........but I don't see a flotilla of illegal Brits sailing to the U.S.

 

Of course they're residents... they're residing in the U.S. When the residents of this country ignore the law that's supposed to limit citizenship, it's a pointless distinction to claim some of them aren't citizens — according to the law that's being ignored. It's actually very much like prohibition. A minority of folks got bad laws passed, and enough folks have refused to support them that it's become impossible to enforce those laws.




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Applying different rules for judging a person's value based on their ethnicity... and then there's segregation. Dunno. Seems like someone could find a commonality there.




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You are all over the place you are making me think there is no reasoning with you.

 

Sorry to hear that, but you're going to have to offer something better than "it's the law" if you want to justify a law. That particular argument hasn't worked in a long time...



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Lets see your logic here

1) People break the law and become "Residents" the moment they cross the border.
2) Those same people now count as Citizens and since they dont agree with the law why bother ( the law they broke by just being in the country)
3)If you are for legal immigration then you are for segregration...

That about sums it up yes?

Just be open and honest here so we can debate your opinion and not dance around (i got another Progressive to admit this). You want a completely open border dont you.

 

It's based on their coming here illegally thing.​

 

Well as you see as they are crossing the border it shows they dont care about the law so it somehow shows its a bad law.... Or some such crap.

 

I'm not progressive. We essentially have an open border now. And no, your points do not describe what I've said. Try this:

1) People are residents of the country they reside in. By definition.
2) If government doesn't provide a reasonable path to citizenship for the residents of a country, the distinction of citizen is going to become less significant to the residents of that country. As it now is in much of California, Arizona and Texas.
3) Immigration laws that treat people differently based on their ethnicity are examples of ethnic discrimination. By definition.




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Do you like the term illegal resident better then

Who said there is not a reasonable path to citizenship? Do you have any idea how many people from around the world manage to immigrate here legally?

Wouldnt having an open border and Amnesty every couple of decades cheapen the hard work and effort those who came here legally? Why are you punishing those who came here legally?

 

The existing laws that set different requirements and limitations for folks to legally immigrate from the Philippines than folks legally immigrating from France than folks legally immigrating from Nigeria are "based on their coming here illegally... thing?"




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You seem to have an issue with the difference between legal and illegal immigration.

 

I did. A while back when I reminded you that some folks struggle for decades to acquire citizenship through legal channels and others die without ever seeing the other side of a ridiculous bureaucratic maze.

The obscene level of work and but kissing required to relocate to the U.S. shouldn't be a badge of pride for those who get through the gauntlet or those who get a free pass because of their ethnicity. It should be a source of embarrassment for a country that used to pride itself on being made entirely of immigrants.

And I'm not punishing anyone trying to come here legally, I'm happy to make getting in a breeze. You seem to be the one who wants to make it a challenge.



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Actually in this very thread i said ihad no issue with lowering the reqs for legal immigration.

We have over 300 million people in this country. We simply can not have a come all policy. We have every right to be selective just like every other country in the world. Immigration laws might differ but countries do have them for a reason. Its not "racist".

 

Definitely. My issue is the former is discriminatory, wasteful, burdensome and widely ignored because of those failings.



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Sure we can, heck that policy (which is inscribed on the statue of liberty) served us well for a very long time. And you might not want say your reason is racism, but it is ethnic discrimination. By definition.




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How is it "ethnic discrimination"???

 

Never said the entire base is racist, just that there wouldn't be enough support for a black man to get elected by the base, which is true. You can talk about Cain, West, Keyes, etc, all you like. When push comes to shove, you and I both know a black man elected by conservatives as a group isn't happening.

Heh, you think you proved you are first world or superior to any Mexican based on where you were born or what your ancestors did? Hilarious.

Oh, the Democrats did move to the left. I'm sure you are aware liberals and conservatives existed in both parties back then. But we all know saint Ronnie did numerous things the conservative base today wouldn't approve of, which makes it VERY unlikely that he would make it past a Republican primary today.

Your white victimhood is noted. Racists need to keep telling themselves that minorities are bad and ruining this country in order to justify their own failures.

 

When you apply one set of rules to one ethnicity and another set of rules to other ethnicities you are discriminating between candidates based on their ethnicity. That's ethnic discrimination, by definition.



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What set of rules would that be? You realize you are describing AA right?

 

Immigration requirements, caps, and restrictions. And that doesn't describe alcoholics anonymous.



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They wouldn't have supported Herman Cain over than his white competitors if they were racist.

So your argument is that Mexicans are just as good as Americans? How come Mexico is such a terrible country, then? If we moved the entire population of Mexico into the US, and moved all the Americans into Mexico, do you think the US would stay on top of Mexico?

He did things the conservative base didn't like back then too. No different than Saint Clinton passing welfare reform over the complaints of his left-wing base, or deregulating the housing market, or cutting capital gains taxes, and signing DOMA, and numerous other things.

"Ruining" is subjective. I don't think making the US look like Mexico is a noble thing to do just for votes. Obviously progressive Democrats like you think otherwise.