Part 23 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

At least you proved you made it up. A slew of verses and no rape mentioned. Congrats.

 

THAT was funny....in his "defense" of himself, he posted the Bible verses related to Barabbas.....

and NONE of it talked of Barabbas as a "rapist"....none.

WanRen basically proved himself a liar...with his own post. Can't ask for more than that, can you?

 

1.What has rape got to do with it?
2.Pilate only condemned Jesus when the subject of Jesus 'kingship' came up. Nothing else mattered to Pilate. He could have simply turned them away. Don't take everything you read in the Gospels at face value. They have to be tied in with the people, situation and practises of the time.
Historicity of the events concerning Jesus - none.
3.The speed of the trial of Jesus was nothing to do with the reasons you state. And if you had read scripture you would know that. It was to do with the Passover.
4.Number 4 is complete rubbish. Bar in Hebrew means son. Abbas - of the father. Nothing to do with 'father of the rebels'. Bar-Jonah = son of Jonah etc.

Sheeesh.

 

So the messiah was freed? If the messiah is 'son of the father', Bar-Abbas. And jesus(jeshua) is not the 'son of the father'?

 

Apparently, WanRen can add things to the Bible that aren't in there.....AND create new definitions for words in the Hebrew language.

His powers are amazing.

 

people risk (and destroy) their lives for idiotic reasons ALL THE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING TIME, Mitt. Does that mean every idiotic reason ever died for is true? According to you logic, it does.

 

Tell that to the woman of Samaria, the blind man of Bethsaida, the people of Caesarea Philippi, Zacchaeus in Jericho, Lazarus in Bethany and many more. To say Jesus ministry was in Jerusalem is nonsense.

It is strange that Jews in Jerusalem for the feast of Pentecost needed to hear the good news in any tongue other than the one they knew - Hebrew.
They would have learned to read and speak Hebrew as part of their upbringing. On top of that the language of the day was Greek, taught throughout the Greek/Roman empire. As far as I can see almost all the people mentioned are within the original Greek Empire, and certain in the Roman empire.
Jesus spoke in Aramaic, but in Hebrew in the synagogue.
The only languages needed were Hebrew, Greek and some Aramaic.
On the same theme. Speaking in tongues is not for the general proclamation of the Gospel. It is for communication between god and his people.

So how do you differentiate between Pauls vision and Mohammeds visions. Only by accepting that Pauls vision was a real one and Mohammeds not. And how do you decide that? The same way that Islam has decided Mohammeds visions are the real ones. By faith. Not proof.
Which of you is right?

 

yet another collapse point. let's see how they wriggle out from this one

 

Not knowingly they don't. The jihadists for example unknowingly die for a lie, you strangely claim the disciples dies for what they know were lies. Who gained????

 

But I didn't make any claims. I asked you what support you have for your claims outside your bible. You understandably avoided this question.

And from historians who don't happen to be theologians.

As has been said, it's good to keep an open mind, but not so far open your brain falls out. You need to put yours back in.

Except Jesus probably never existed, there are no eyewitnesses to his life, these tales were written long long after he is said to have died, and the sources for these quotes are oddly not provided. PT Barnum had it right.

 

You are the one that disbelieves all supernatural testimony, not us. It is quite possible Muhammad's vision was real, I would ascribe it to Satan, who masquerades as an angel of light. Note the scene in that cave, Muhammad was grabbed by the throat and told to write, it was one of terror, unlike Biblical angelic visitations with, "Fear not", etc. By their fruits you shall know them, by any such measure Islam is from Satan.

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If the writings of Cornelius Tacitus, Rome's greatest historian and those of Josephus won't convince you, what would? Few serious historians believe the nonsense that Jesus never lived. Did the Apostles never live also? How about Muhammad?

 

Or, has been suggested, Paul's visions and occasional physical disabilities show what are now recognized as the symptoms of a certain type of epilepsy. I'm NOT saying Paul was an epileptic, I'm saying that there is some evidence for this, so it's a plausible claim. It has the advantage of requiring no magic.

You ask several questions here. Forgery was a major cottage industry back then, but some of these forgeries are pretty lame. So historians whose works were preserved by the Christian church and by nobody else, conveniently stick some Christian stuff in there. They read like "And this person was secretly seeing that person, this famous general lost this battle he should have won, the Roman Senate decided this that and the other, there was this messiah some of someone else's god running around doing miracles, and the wife of the emperor wore a red dress yesterday." Now, which of these historical claims does not seem to fit?

As for apostles, the evidence for them is basically nonexistent. Certainly no apostles showed up in Paul's visions - they were added later as the tales grew.

I know nothing of Muhammad, so I can't comment. He may be as mythical as Moses, he may not.

 

Not true. We do know they existed. We have historical accounts on all of them.

He most certainly did in the early part of His ministry, He picked twelve disciples but one of them turned out to be a traitor.

But look at His followers today, there are approx. a little over 2 billion practicing Christians world-wide or approx. one-third of the world's entire population.

The Bible does not give a date to the "end times". In other words nobody but God knows when the "end times" will happen. People were not deceived by God but of course they were deceived by their own selves for misinterpreting Scripture...as usual.

And sincerely believing something doesn't make it false either in regards to anything to do with Almighty God the Creator!

Just because a couple years back some people were wrong about the "end times" doesn't mean it is not true that there will be the "end times". Scripture tells us there will be such a time, it's just that we mere mortals just don't when it's coming and like I said only God knows when that time will be.

But we are giving some clues what will happen preceding and leading up to the "end times". See Matthew 24:5-8

 

They unknowingly died for lies, just like everyone else who dies for a belief that is magical.

 

We have no such thing. The Gospels are NOT historical accounts. They are fiction.

And you know this how? Certainly Paul didn't know it. So who do you suppose made it up?

And consider that these fall into perhaps 50,000 different sects, each disagreeing with all the others over some theological point. And of course there is no way to reconcile these disputes, because there is no evidence for anybody's side of anything.

But fortunately for you, all scripture means exactly what you think it means. You aren't interpreting anything, only reading the plain words, right?

There is no sensible limit to what the human mind is capable of believing, against any amount of contrary evidence, or based on no evidence at all.

You would think that if your god wanted to, it could have made itself much clearer. It could, you know, show up and conduct some press conferences. Why leave everyone guessing? Why, some people have even decided that the indetectible and the nonexistent bear a very close resemblance.

And Matthew's sources were? Well, by golly, none are even hinted at. How about that. What do we call wild claims without sources? Do you know?

 

Are you suggesting that every single person born of devout Hindu parents automatically become devout Hindus themselves? That's a fallacious statement.

For your information there are practicing Christians world-wide, in every single country. Now tell me what happened to those folks?

Christianity is world-wide! People are accepting the faith all over regardless of anything you can think of as being an obstacle.

I only know of one God and not gods. That one God I know of is the Christian God, The Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Sorry but you are being incoherent here, I have no idea what you're expressing. How can I answer something that is incoherent to me, I mean if I did then my response will also be incoherent...lol

 

The crowd who called for Barabas' release were paid by the Pharasees. They Pharasees wanted to rig the choice so that Jesus would be crucified because they feared he and his followers would take power and influence from them.

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Innocent people suffer all time time.

There is no greater evil than when good stands by and allows suffering to happen when it could be prevented.

The fact that god allows suffering to occur when he has the power to stop it means he is evil.

 

Got a link?

 

Good post WR! When Jesus returns that's when the Jews will accept Him as the Messiah but they will believe it will be His first coming and we Christians will know it will be His 2nd coming.

Sometimes you wonder how could they have missed the first coming, it was all foretold in the Scriptures. Oh but of course it was because they misinterpreted their own Torah and they believed the Messiah was to come as a warrior but that is what He'll come as in His 2nd coming...wow! what a blunder on their part.

And for that huge blunder all the ones who do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior will not be saved.

 

So Jesus is the leader of ISIS?

 

1. Rape, murder, larceny, thief, killer all of it got to do with why Barabas was a criminal. Or are you excluding rape from all his crimes?
2. Pilate gave in because no one was speaking for Jesus the Pharisees who are the recognized authority of the Jews under Roman rule were all calling for Pilate to sentence Jesus to death. The historicity of Jesus is so true that no amount of denial or attempt to distort it or cover it up has, have or can succeed that is why NONE of the anti Jesus, anti Christ and conspiracy theorist have been successful in burying this historical fact.
3. If you have read the scripture and the history of it you would know that the reason why they snatched Jesus in the middle of the night on a Thursday and quickly have Jesus sentenced on Friday because they know Jews would be busy honoring the Sabath thus preventing followers of Christ to come to his rescue that is why majority of the crowd in the court yard were followers and supporters of the Pharisees.
4. Barabas is no friend to the Pharisee he was a criminal a rebel who by all chances was a Zealot that is why Pilate presented Barabas to the Pharisees because Pilate knew that the Pharisees and Zealots hate each other.

 

Pauls' vision conform with Christ, his teachings and ways while Mohammed's vision is that of desert spirits. Paul like Christ do not call for arm rebellion and no wars against the Romans, Gentiles or Jews, Mohammed's visions and teachings was all about empire building the use of military force and call for wars against Christians, Jews and all those who refused to submit it is all about VANITY.

The difference is very clear just like Barabas and Jesus Christ the difference is very clear and yet there are people who will chose Barabas over Jesus Christ why? I guess human nature.
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ISIS are enemies of good and humanity they hate Christians, atheist, agnostics, humanist, Buddhist, Hindus.
Jesus Christ is their sworn enemy.

 

Actually I'm not, if you read my posts. And of course you would ascribe it to Satan, if the Satan Christianity describes ever existed. HaSatan in the Tanakh, from whom Satan derives, is a completely different person. Or are you another that says Judaism has got it wrong and Christianity, as always, is right.

 

And what evidence do you have that it was a blunder?