Part 23 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

You sure have changed your perception of the story on this thread...............

 

Why do you still claim that Barabbas was a "rapist"... There is NO evidence of that in scripture.

 

trevorw was indeed right being involved in arm rebellion comes in being a killer and rapist.

I DID NOT SAY THAT OR INFER THAT. I said that he certainly killed as an insurrectionist. NOT that he raped.

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You NEVER claimed Barabbas was a "rapist". WR made that claim.. What is going on here?

 

Absolutely. And he is always doing it. BUT he still can't get it right.

1. We have no information that Barabbas was a rapist. Such an accusation today without proof would end with the accuser being in court.
2. Pilate had no interest in Jewish religious matters, and he says so quite plainly. Only when it concerns Jesus supposed claim of Jewish kingship does he then take an interest. This would be against Roman law.
3. Is complete rubbish. Read up on Jewish religious matters.
4. Is probably just Christian teaching. Nowhere else do we find this practise in the Roman Empire. Was Barabbas and Yeshua Barabbas (Jesus) one and the same? Did Origen alter early scriptures? I was'nt there. Who knows?

 

I know that Pilate was disinterested in the Jewish religion.. His only interest was in keeping the peace and his job. Jerusalem was unimportant and Pilate was a very minor Roman prefect.

Barabbas is certainly an intriguing character .. his name alone raises lots of questions.

 

No they won't. Show proof or state you made this up.

They didn't. Nothing has been misinterpreted by the chosen people.

Of course you have stated many times that this is not the 'only' requirement. So not sure why you're making this false statement.

 

And be considered a criminal. And by WR logic, would now be a rapist.

 

So it's equally possible that Satan was disguised as the "angel of the Lord" ....and was so tricky he was NICE to Mary when he spoke to her?

 

MittRyan? I have a tough quesiton regarding Christianity....


is there ANY reference in the Gospels to Barabbas being a rapist?

Yes or No?




My second tough question regarding Christianity is...

Do you support or oppose it when a supposed "Bible believing Christian" ADDS things to the Bible that aren't in it?

Yes or No?

 

Consider modern examples.....Oliver North, former Reagan aide, illegally supplied weapons to the Contras in Nicaragua.....Allen West, former Republican Congressman was accused of using improper methods to force information out of an Iraqi detainee. West was fined $5,000 over two months,


ergo by WR logic, we should be able to legitimately accure Oliver North and Allen West of being "rapists".


(BTW, you can also apply that to a liberal or Democrat....but I'm sort of betting on WR's or atleast MittRyan's political leanings in those example. )

 

And you call me incoherent. I only know one person - my wife, my mother, my neighbor. But only one person.

You will have to make an effort. If you can't think, I can't think for you.

 

Don't fret it, Flint. MR won't answer simple questions either. (See above)

 

Nothing has change with the story and historicity of Jesus Christ what is happening is that you and your group have been trying to change it that is why we are here to answer your questions so that you'll know that there is nothing that can be change with historical facts.

 

He's always misquoting and gets away with it.

 

It was indeed a blunder for the Pharisees they knew Jesus is the Messiah the Son of God they thought they are smarter than God that is why they used and tricked the Romans to do their dirty job and in the end they lost the sacred Temple of Solomon, the destruction of Jerusalem, the expulsion of 90% of Jews from Israel, the banning of their return and most of all their trust and autonomy from the Romans. All because for greed, vanity, power and wealth.

 

Did you just accuse US....of "changing the story of the Gospels"????????????

 

Because he is. There is evidence in the scripture Barabas was a notorious and feared criminal.

Thank you for believing in the Bible.

 

So if Barabas as an insurrectionist he killed as you claim and I agree with you on that he killed.
Who did he killed men, women and children or just women, children or just men?
So you are saying he was not a rapist he was just an insurrectionist that killed many people how many people?

 

There are many similarities between the teachings of Jesus and that of other Messianic leaders ? There were even other Jewish "Messiah claimants" prior to and after Jesus.

Simon of Paraea for example who was also killed by the Romans and thought by his followers to have been resurrected 3 days later.

The had a strong messianic tradition around the first century and there were many who were thought or hoped to be the fulfillment of prophecy. Unfortunately for the Jews, none showed up that did.

The Golden Rule - Said by Jesus to sum up all the laws and the prophets was a principle taught long before Jesus.

 

Another way of putting that......he lies.

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There is NO evidence he was a rapist.

Thank you for proving you DON'T believe in the Bible....you just make stuff up about it.

 

You have to report the post of the misquote.

 

1. You accuse him to be a killer when he was actually just an insurrectionist according to you accusing him to be a killer that is also consider in modern court false statement and would end with the accuser being in court.
2. Indeed and I agree with you Pilate is not interested in Jewish religious matters that is why he wanted to turn Jesus away and let them deal with him under their Jewish laws (and this goes back to autonomy to the Jews as conquered people). Pilate interest was the charge he was a king and when Pilate was satisfied that Jesus was no king he wanted to let him go.
3. If you have read the scripture and the history of it you would know that the reason why they snatched Jesus in the middle of the night on a Thursday and quickly have Jesus sentenced on Friday because they know Jews would be busy honoring the Sabath thus preventing followers of Christ to come to his rescue that is why majority of the crowd in the court yard were followers and supporters of the Pharisees. The Pharisees exploited Jewish religious matters knowing very well that Jesus supporters would not dare to do something drastic on a Sabbath. That is why they did not arrest Jesus on a weekday on day light it has to be on a Thursday night quickly have him sentenced on a Friday and executed on the same day Friday they timed it well. But they forgot it does not matter what day they arrest Jesus because Jesus has been very clear to his followers he does not want them to engage in any arm rebellion against the Pharisees or Romans.
Mark 12: And Jesus said unto them, Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's. And they marvelled greatly at him.

Jesus also has been clear his kingdom is not of this world so it really does not matter what day he gets arrested it only matters to the Pharisees because they don't want Jesus followers to be there when they arrest Jesus.
4. Barabas and Jesus are two different people. Barabas name which mean father of the son is just that all Jewish names have some translation meaning example Simon mean "he has heard" or John meaning "YAHWEH or God is gracious".

Only the conspiracy theorist would come up with all sorts of unsupported stories think about it how can Jesus and Barabas be one and the same person who was Pilate presenting to the crowds or when the crowds yelled free Barabas were they actually choosing Jesus to be freed over the criminal Barabas? Then would this mean that the man that was crucified would be the criminal Barabas? See how conspiracy theorist stories does not and can not make sense too conflicting. the truth is Barabas is a person of himself and Jesus Christ is of himself two different individuals and the crowds choosed Barabas over Jesus that is the historical and Biblical facts.

 

It is a popular tool for those who have a bad understanding of bible verses. In order to come to grips with the illogical stories in the bible, things have to be made up to fit an ideology.
Or there are some who make a claim of being a christian, but really are not and try to lure people into the dark side. There are all kinds of snake oil salesmen trying to get at one's 'soul'.

 

It could easily be said that the blunder is yours. The Jews do not believe Jesus was their Messiah and you have no proof either.

Despite what you may think of believe OT prophesy is concerned with the Jews. Christianity has adapted it for its own use.