Keystone Be Darned: Canada Finds a Surprise Pipeline Route Bypassing Obama

Canada makes plans for their own pipeline.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/keystone-darned-canada-finds-surprise-154936872.html

And the US is forced to use dangerous oil shipping by rail. Canada gets the jobs.

 

Don't forget plans for pipelines and two oil terminals at Port Rupert and Kitimat, BC.

This is a metaphor for what's wrong with the US. American jobs sacrificed to suit the whims of a billionaire speculator (Steyer).

Too much government power. Corrupt is running amok.

 

If anyone is waiting for Obama's go-ahead to bring them prosperity, they'd better do things for themselves instead. Go Canada!

 

That's fine with me!

 

Wow! Go Canada.

This is a win for Barack Obama / Democrats. They have stopped thousands of jobs (full time), tons of economic activity, hurt American Energy Dominance and Independence, Empowered Russia and the Middle East vs. U.S., and hurt national security, and finally the environment as transporting oil by ship is far more risky than by pipeline.

You can't fail much harder, but at least on this massive fail, the Liberals/Democrats were really trying.

 

Just so Liberals follow along here. This IS NOT a pipeline to the West. It is a pipeline to the EAST using many existing resources and advancing the revenue by 33% as the flow is 1/3 greater.

 

Good plan and all, but that's all it is for now. The kitimat one is probably gonna get routed elsewhere as the SC said that First Nations have a lot more say about pipelines running through their land.

That said, the oil is going to get extracted, no matter where it goes. I just wish we would just build a damn refinery and make way more money off our own oil rather then bowing to the dbags in OPEC.

 

That may yet happen. The Billionaire in the New Brunswick area already has that background and they may cut the U.S. and everyone else right out of the deal. I can't say the U.S. doesn't deserve it as we elected Barack Obama and the Democrats that stomped on the thousands of jobs, tons of revenue for taxes, economic boost, and international energy dominance. Elections have consequences.

 

Thousands? more like 60 once construction is complete (if you mean Keystone anyway). It doesn't take many people to monitor a pipeline.

 

If it takes thousands of workers to build or maintain a pipeline, they are in the wrong business.

 

Wow... did you buy the Liberal bull(*)(*)(*)(*) fairytale.

Aleyska Pipeline which is a fraction of the size has 800. Here is a real comparison as opposed to the propaganda numbers you are repeating.

LINK: http://www.forbes.com/sites/energys...how-many-jobs-will-be-created-by-keystone-xl/

Let's not repeat Liberal propaganda blindly.

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Tell that to the Aleyska crew that is wildly successful. Please tell us about your expertise.

 

Not all liberal sources say that

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-insight-beyond-the-hype-keystone-would-yield-few-permanent-jobs-2014-14

Don't get me wrong, I think with some modifications as to where it goes, in the end, it will help North America on every scale except Environmentally. I just think we should be less hyperbolic about it.

 

good, they can fund it then

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maybe they are planning on lot of leaks for people to constantly be cleaning up

 

Sounds like a win-win to me for us. We avoid a environmental time bomb running through the heart of America that would only create relatively few permanent jobs, and still have the oil come to the Gulf refineries where the actual long-term jobs are. Granted oil tankers full of crude oil aren't exactly fail-safe transportation, but it seems the lesser of two evils here.

If we are going to create thousands of temporary construction and contractor jobs we should do it rebuilding America's aging infrastructure. At least we would have long term benefit.

Also..

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...an-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/

 

In Arabia all the oil and gas pipelines countrywide are monitored in real time at a central computer in Dhahran.. Its pretty spectacular.. Doesn't take a large crew. In an emergency they can shut a pipeline down by remote. They also do directional drilling 600 miles away..

Oh yes...

http://www.alyeska-pipe.com/AboutUs

That's 800 in the whole company... and they are only moving 600,000 bpd.. Must have pretty old fashioned systems.

 

It takes loads of people to monitor and maintain a pipeline and these are high paying jobs. In addition there are contractors all along the pipeline route that will becomes instantly rich.

You not know much about the pipeline business methinks.

 

Reality is that he was being generous with the permanent jobs.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...an-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/

 

The video mentioned that some of the oil will go to India. So India will refine the oil into gasoline and then ship it to the US. We already import gasoline from India and now India will gain another source of oil to process for us.

 

No it doesn't .. Pipelines are monitored from a central computer bank in real time..

 

Pipeline monitoring is something that can be easily done by drones. In the case of the tar sands oil the pipes should wear out rather quickly so there will be leaks galore.

 

Blocking the Keystone is wrongheaded, not in the best interest of the country, and based on stupidity and misinformation.

The bottom line is that either the oil comes from Canada or it comes from the world market ... places like Nigeria and the Middle east.

The "only" argument environmentalists have against the keystone is that they do not like oil. While I agree that global CO2 emissions are an issue, not building the keystone will not reduce oil consumption by one drop

Now to the question of the environment. What oil is better from an environmental perspective. Canada or Nigeria, Middle East and so on.

Having worked in environmental engineering (cleaning up hydrocarbon contaminated soil and groundwater for a living) for over a decade - Bioremediation and alternative remediation technologies was my specialty ... I know a couple things.

CO2 emissions is somewhere around 4th on my list of environmental concerns facing the globe. 1st is persistent organic pollutants in the oceans. 2&3rd is the increase in global population and industrialization of that population.

Countries like Nigeria dump pollutants into the oceans in the course of oil and gas production. Its nasty. Canada and the US don't do these thing and have strict environmental regulations.

The oil from Canada, from an environmental perspective is way cleaner than the oil that we would be buying on the world market to replace the oil that we are not getting from Canada.

Moral of the story ? These idiotic environmentalists, by obstructing the Keystone, are harming the environment.

 

The only reason Obama blocked the keystone was so his major donor Buffett could make millions moving the tar sand oil on his rails.

 

In its hayday... 1950s and 1960s.. TAPLINE ran from Ghawar to Sidon (750 miles) thru three countries.... Saudi Arabia, Syria and Jordan moving a half million bpd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Arabian_Pipeline

TAPLINE would be considered antiquated today. Only 125 Americans worked for TAPLINE.. the rest were nationals from KSA, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon numbered a total workforce of 1200 people.

Today.. Saudi ARAMCO is moving 10 million bpd via pipeline.

 

Van Jones has no clue what he is talking about ( his claim of 35 permanent Jobs) I work in the industry and know what it takes to maintain a pipeline. Running inspection tools (In Line Inspection) will create 35 Jobs alone.

Along the pipe are pump stations that are manned. These alone will be well more than 35 Jobs. Then there are the contractors. Every time there is a dig and digs happen a lot. The cost of one dig is hundreds of thousands of dollars and there are 20 people involved full time just doing digs. This does not include the other outside contractors that are involved in short term aspects such as hydrovacing, and surveying. It all ads up.

Then you have the jobs created in repair and maintenance of valves and various pump equipment.

I am well over 60 full time paying jobs already without even counting any office staff who monitor the operation of the line, do pipeline inspection, run cleaning pigs, and a host of other jobs.

Enbridge Pipelines Inc. whose main business is the operation of lines that run from Canada to the US employs 11,000 people. Enbridge Energy is the US affiliate. TransCanada has similar US affiliates.

Come to think of it. The Keystone would have 10-15 permanent jobs just dealing with US regulatory compliance issues. Then you have integrity personnel, safety, operators, routing, marketing, public relations, management, and a host of other job functions I am forgetting about.

I am not sure if you know this but the oil that flows through a 30 inch pipeline will often change ownership from the time it gets put in one end until it comes out the other. All the oil that goes into a transmission pipeline is in batches owned by other parties. Tracking this is quite a job. Just the accounting department who have to invoice the hundreds of different clients who use the pipeline to ship their oil is more than 35 people.

Tracking all the numerous batches of oil that go through a 30 inch pipeline with oil traveling 3 feet/second is no small task. Not all of this will happen in the US but some of it will. The marketing team is large and part of this team will be in the US.

Van Jones has no clue what he is talking about.

 

Quit while you are ahead. I know this industry well. Have you ever been in the main control room of a major pipeline company like TransCanada?

Then there are control rooms at every tank farm and pump station along the line most of which have to be manned 24/7.

I did a short summary off the top of my head in another post.



I did a brief summary off the top of my head in another post.