What sin has God condemned you for?

No, the comment was not in error. It was your judgment that was in error. Your fingers will only type what your mind instructs them to type (including typographical errors). It was your judgment that motivated the fingers to type what was typed.

 

I did not say God was a spirit guide. I was referring to the daily conversations that Incorp claim's he has with what he calls the Holy Spirit. The comments were in relation to his claim that he has the correct interpretation of scripture through these conversations.

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So are you going to answer the rest of the post or continue to dodge.

Prove that God has placed things in your mind through the holy spirit.

You have claimed that the Bible is the written by man and is therefore subject to error. Why then do you quote from the Bible as if it is not subject to error.

You are again claiming to speak for God yet you disingenuously reject that you have made this claim. You even refused to state that the Holy Spirit was from God as you knew you were trapped.

If God places things in your mind through the Holy Spirit as you suggest, and you speak these things to others claiming "the Holy Spirit told me so". You are claiming to speak for God.

Speaking for God is the unforgivable sin. Did you not know this ?

Perhaps you need to be questioning the identity of your spirit guide.

In any case, let us at least have some fun with this spirit guide and ask it a few tough questions

 

You have not complied with correcting the first one yet.

 

What would you like corrected ?

 

quit attributing the error to the comment and start accepting the fact that it was your judgment that was in error.

 

Fine ... my judgement was in error. It is not uncommon

Now back to the rest of the post that you are desperately trying to avoid.

Prove that God has placed things in your mind through the holy spirit.

You have claimed that the Bible is the written by man and is therefore subject to error. Why then do you quote from the Bible as if it is not subject to error.

You are again claiming to speak for God yet you disingenuously reject that you have made this claim. You even refused to state that the Holy Spirit was from God as you knew you were trapped.

If God places things in your mind through the Holy Spirit as you suggest, and you speak these things to others claiming "the Holy Spirit told me so". You are claiming to speak for God.

Speaking for God is the unforgivable sin. Did you not know this ?

Perhaps you need to be questioning the identity of your spirit guide.

In any case, let us at least have some fun with this spirit guide and ask it a few tough questions

 

Now that we have this honest admission on the record, there is no need for me to go any further with your diatribe, as you have admitted that it is not uncommon for your judgment to be in error. Have a nice day.

 

ROFL. I enjoy watching you squirm in a desperate attempt to avoid responding the rest of the post.

You demand me to retract a claim that was dubious saying that you will not respond to the rest of the post until I do and then when I do to your satisfaction you refuse to respond to the rest of the post.

Priceless !! As I said previously. You do not come here to honestly debate issues.

When you are wrong you automatically default to "Prove perception is valid" argument which is a disingenuous trolling and I have pointed out to you why this is the case on numerous occasions.

The whole purpose of this forum is to debate the validity of one perspective/perception over another. This debate assumes that there is some validity in perception itself.

Your claim, that you repeat over and over again is "perception itself can not be proven". We are not here to "prove perception". We are here to debate the validity of one perspective over another.

We all assume in coming here that to some degree perception can be proven. If you do not accept this then go away because there is no point in discussing anything related to perception/perspective with someone who is just going to deny the validity of perception itself when ever that person does not like certain perspective.

Either get with the program or go away.

Now back to the rest of the post that you are desperately trying to avoid.

 

Originally Posted by Giftedone
Fine ... my judgement was in error. It is not uncommon [/quote]


Now that we have this honest admission on the record, there is no need for me to go any further with your diatribe, as you have admitted that it is not uncommon for your judgment to be in error. Have a nice day.

 

Yet I have claimed apotheosis and did not find it foolish at all.

Strange that the Holy spirit would give us opposing messages.

I think you are a victim of God's lies.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

Regards
DL

 

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

If this is not Jesus saying he is a spirit guide then what is he saying?

Regards
DL

 

Yes! He told them that they could eat of the Tree of Life. However, as the 'Bible' points out, they chose (of their own free will) to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They disobeyed the "command" that God had given them.

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[TD]And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
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[TD]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"





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I don't sin. For once you die unto the ego, it is no longer causing sin, for it no longer seeks gratification, that sort that hurts others. So, I have not sinned for years. When Christ told us to be perfect, even as the father is perfect, he was dead serious. If one is reborn, in consciousness, the ego consciousness that creates all sin is no longer there, causing sin.

It's nice not sinning. Try it sometime.

 

My kudos for your patience with a total and utter fool whose infantile mind is so hungry for a small point win that he will prostitute his mind for one.

He has no shame or couth.

No wonder religions are disappearing if this is all they have to offer.

This author speaks to the king of mind our friend has. Note what is said of knit picking to evade.

Regards
DL

 

That is YOU cherry picking scripture and misinterpreting and misapplying it.

 

Yes he did. He then reneged and effectively murdered A & E through neglect. Quite a poor parent that.

As above so below.

Would you murder your Children for ignoring your command that they stay stupid and never become like you?

After all, as God said, they have become as Gods in the knowing of good and evil.

Would you murder your children for becoming like you?

Regards
DL

 

As you can see, I was asking a question.

If this is not Jesus saying he is a spirit guide then what is he saying?

You chastised without correction and that just shows the hate that your religion has put in your heart.

Thanks for not helping me understand.

Regards
DL

 

You must have amassed enough resources to stop competing then at some point in the past.

If you repented then you would have to return it. Right?

Lend me your eyes and tell us how the rest of us can stop competing and doing evil to those we compete against for resources to survive as you have. Without having to give back as you have not done of course.

Can you help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?
And if you cannot, why would God punish you?

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by putting forward their free will argument and placing all the blame on mankind.
That usually sounds like ----God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy. Such statements simply avoid God's culpability as the author and creator of human nature.

Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all do evil/sin by nature then, the evil/sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not do evil/sin. Can we then help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil and sin is all human generated and in this sense, I agree with Christians, but for completely different reasons. Evil is mankind’s responsibility and not some imaginary God’s. Free will is something that can only be taken. Free will cannot be given not even by a God unless it has been forcibly withheld.

Much has been written to explain evil and sin but I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.
First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created. Without intent to do evil, no act should be called evil.
In secular courts, this is called mens rea. Latin for an evil mind or intent and without it, the court will not find someone guilty even if they know that they are the perpetrator of the act.

Evil then is only human to human when they know they are doing evil and intend harm.
As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.
Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil, at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, you should see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us. Wherever it came from, God or nature, without evolution we would go extinct. We must do good and evil.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

This link speak to theistic evolution.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#g/c/6F8036F680C1DBEB

If theistic evolution is true, then the myth of Eden should be read as a myth and there is not really any original sin.

Doing evil then is actually forced on us by evolution and the need to survive. Our default position is to cooperate or to do good. I offer this clip as proof of this. You will note that we default to good as it is better for survival.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBW5vdhr_PA

Can you help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?
And if you cannot, why would God punish you?

Regards
DL

 

I see that you are now engaging in the infinite progression of rationalizations (making excuses) after your first fail. Now it is "effectively murdered them" and "poor parent". Also, you now engage in launching an attack against my family by saying that they are "stupid", when in fact they have nothing to do with this forum and you have never met them. By the way.. if you are attempting to quote scripture, at least get the wording correct. It was "as gods" not "as Gods", and "knowing good and evil" not "knowing of good and evil". As for what I would do ... first of all, I would hope that my children are all more successful than I have been. Now if you are finished with your character slurs and personal attacks on my family, we can move on. Any further personal attacks on my family or me, will be reported to the Moderation Team.

 

Your posting of personal attacks against my family shows the hate you have in your heart. Attacking people who are not involved in this discussion. It is my opinion that you are not seeking understanding, but rather that you are merely here to launch attacks at anyone declaring that he/she is a Christian. So, in regards to your "Thanks"...... You're welcome.

 

Finish the answer please and do not bother trying to deflect.

Would you kill your children for educating themselves so as not to remain as scriptures say, with their eyes closed.

Regards
DL

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Your usual deflection.

Answer my post or be ignored as the pathetic apologist and small minded person you are showing yourself to be.

Regards
DL

 

The answer was given.... I see you are now reneging on the offer of placing me on your ignore list. Typical of someone who is inconsistent and not a person of his/her word.

 

More empty promises.

 

To be honest it is scary the kind of twisted and delusional mental contortions some of these religious extremists will undergo in order to defend the un-defensible.

Rather than question their beliefs when contradictions illogical issues are uncovered they go into a variety denial modes in order to avoid addressing these issues and contradictions.

Demonization of the messenger is common, claiming that science is invalid - without stating why of course.

Another common "thought stopping technique" is to just keep repeating the premise over and over again like this somehow refutes arguments to the contrary.

 

Actually...that would be John, Luke, and Mark saying Jesus said something....according to someone else who either wrote it down or made it up.