What sin has God condemned you for?

And you think that is worthy of a God's attention.

Wow.

How important is that to the universe and should you have the biggest demon of all on your ass because of it?

Regards
DL

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So much for your morals. I guess you missed the quotes I put up showing the right moral view.

How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

 

Nice dodge. I guess you were either busted or you can't defend your
position. I believe you're so busted that you can't defend your position.

Waiting for non answer in 3...2...1...

 

Irrelevant. But you know that.

Again, irrelevant.

This post is about as irrelevant as I've ever seen. It means nothing.

In other words you have no evidence whatsoever. There's no alternative.

 

Morals are relatively subjective, and more of a reflection of the culture than of any belief in Christ or gods.

What a bizarre question, you don't seem to understand much about Christianity. I don't get myself into heaven, Christ gets me into heaven.

You should use hot links. I don't know what this video is our what it's taking about.

You really don't understand, Christianity isn't about scapegoating, that is a rather bizarre comment. I don't really understand how you gerrymandered that interpretation. Christ willingly accepted his fate, that was his purpose. It wasn't scapegoating, that doesn't even make sense, it was a gift.

Just out of curiosity, are you Jewish?

God didn't kill Christ, the Israelites did.

Boy it's really difficult to have this discussion with somebody that seems so ignorant of Christianity.

Christians believe Christ IS God, and that he sacrificed himself for our sake.

Satan has nothing to do with this.

There can be no options in scripture.

Which is precisely why Christians don't sacrifice animals and such to God.

It doesn't seem you understand Christianity in the least. God became man, that was Jesus. Jesus willingly sacrificed himself for us. God did not kill Jesus, Pontius Pilate did. The blood that was spilt was God's blood. And then he rose from the dead.

I really don't understand what ass you pulled this nonsense from.

No, in my opinion it really is the absolute definition of love. Nothing is more selfless than to sacrifice one's self for another. We call people heros and honor them when they do it for others.

Well, no. But I don't really see the relevance, Christians don't make blood sacrifices of their children. The only sacrifice made in Christianity was God sacrificing himself. That's what those gospel things were about in the bible.

What is the relevance here? Christians don't sacrifice their children.

God did sacrifice himself for us, that was who that Jesus fellow was. He is God in the flesh.

Look kid, you ought to first learn the basics of what Christianity is before you attempt to defame it.

God didn't kill Christ, Pontius Pilate did. Jesus is God, so God sacrificed himself. So pretty much everything you have posted is based on a false cause.

 

"Well, no. But I don't really see the relevance, Christians don't make blood sacrifices of their children."

But if your God asked for one, you have to give if you are to follow him.
Nice though that you place your view above your God's though and would deny him your child. Abraham was not as moral.

You refute nothing while claiming that I know nothing of your theology. B.S. I know it better than you do and that is why you did not refute but just whined a lot.

One last thing to show you are wrong on the culpability of Jesus murder.

[video=youtube;4ott15j2KwQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2KwQ&feature=related[/video]

Who is more likely to ask for a human sacrifice? God or Satan?
Correct. Satan would, yet your God did the demanding.

Regards
DL

 

Then you are suggesting that God does exist? I mean, God would have to exist in order to make demands.... correct? How could a non-existing thing make demands? Ohh! I get it... you are just going by what the 'Bible' says. OK. Then you are accepting the 'Bible' as the authority on the subject of God ... therefore, you are accepting that God does exist. OK. Then what are you complaining about? I also notice that you even admit to the existence of Satan. That is also marvelous, as it seems you are starting to make a self conversion.... a conversion without prompting by anyone else.

 

I complain about people who put lies in my mouth like you just did.

I am a Gnostic Christian and we preach that all beliefs are ok for internalizing to kick start our pineal gland and open our third eye, --- but that does not prevent us from judging the immorality of bible God.

That prick is a great example of what a God would not be and whose morals should be condemned.

Regards
DL

 

Why did God put Jesus on earth? To be sacrificed and killed for humanities sins. While God didn't do the actual nailing to the cross, according to God's plan Jesus had to be killed.

 

He wouldn't.

God would never ask that.

you clearly don't understand my theology, or written word for that matter. I never whined, I simply refuted all of your rather bizarre contentions. Claiming I didn't isn't really valid discourse.

The video as well as your statement begs the question.

Jesus = God. Thus, Jesus killed God = God killed Jesus = Jesus killed Jesus, so on.

It's like saying ziggy stardust polarized David Bowie's image. He couldn't have, he was the same person.

Show me any point in any history where Christ asked for a sacrifice. [/QUOTE]

I thought you said you know my theology better than I do, Pffft, you don't even know who Christians worship.

 

Jesus is God.

yes, it is hard to nail yourself to a cross. You see, Christians believe Christ is God. Why is this so hard for people to understand. We are called Christians, it says in our label who our God is, come on.

Right, God came down to earth and became man, and sacrificed himself for us. Reason enough to worship him.

 

Not all christians believe that. There are 1 or 2 here that don't believe that. And the bible never claims God is Jesus. That is man made doctrine that instilled that belief. I am/was a christian, I do understand the belief. However wrong I think it is at this time.

God can do anything, omni everything. So yes, he could've nailed itself to the cross.

 

Christians worship Christ. If they don't they aren't Christians.

I don't think you understand the theology.

That would defeat the purpose of coming to earth as a man.

 

LOL, quit being so arrogant. I understand theology quite well. You changed your tune. You said Jesus is God. I said not all christians believe that. Stay OT or just drop it.

 

If you don't worship Christ how can you be Christian? That really goes against the term Christian.

 

That really wasn't what was under discussion. Jesus is God is under discussion. One can worship or believe jesus is the christ without believing he is God.

 

one can believe Jesus is a lightbulb and worship it, that isn't Christianity.

 

Where do you get the idea jesus is god? It's not in the bible.

 

John 1:1--"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14--"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 5:18--"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
John 8:24--"I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
John 8:58--"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
Exodus 3:14--"And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
John 10:30-33--"I and the Father are one." (*)31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. (*)32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" (*)33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Col. 2:9--"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
Phil. 2:5-8--"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (*)9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Heb. 1:8--"But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."

 

Very little from those passages claim jesus as god. But one can make great assumptions on meanings. Most of the time jesus is referring to god as another such as father. Calling god his own father is not make one equal with god. And equal doesn't mean they are the same. Are you the same as your father?
John 8:58 is perhaps the only verse one could conclude your assumption. But if you read the previous verses, Jesus clearly is not calling himself god. He refers to god as his father.

Others say he may be god, but jesus never says that about himself. Always refers to god as something else, usually father.

John 8 54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

 

Did Jesus say to seek God?

Yes he did.

Jesus never said seek me.

He said he was the way. He did not say the way fed to him.

But if he is God, then you and I can be as well.

[video=youtube;alRNbesfXXw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Are you ready to step up?

Regards
DL

 

Jesus is God. Hefe never said heis the way to God, he said he is the way to his father. The father the son and the holy spirit are three manifestations of the same deity.

Come on, I thought you said you understand theology. I knew better than to take you at your word.

I think I did, and I clobbered you.

 

Doesn't take much.

The father, son, and holy spirit are all God.

All of Christianity's assumption you mean.

 

Once you accept one delusion as real, then it is easy to take on more.

[video=youtube;3VsN3IG1HtQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsN3IG1HtQ[/video]

Regards
DL

 

To you God condemns...

To me He saves.

Thanks for playing. Please drop in when you have at least cracked a theology book