Obama: Fund My Amnesty Or I’ll Shut Down The Government

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said this before put the Government shut down on Obama. He always had Harry Reid to insulate him from making the real tough decisions or any change to get "Mr. My or the Highway" to compromise. However, since the Republicans don't take over the Senate till January, they need to provide regular funding till January 15th or 20th only in a continuing resolution. Then have a budget ready to present to the President when they return in January. Then shutting down the Government is all on Obama.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Just boot him outta office
     
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    I hope the GOP points out that Obama is vowing to shut down the government if he doesn't get funds for something that is unpopular with the American public in the first place.
     
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    Obama wants a disaster to blame on the right but I don't think this one is it.
    Obama will get all his government funded except his unconstitutional immigration power grab which the public disapproves of anyway...let him make the most of that.
     
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    Obama is angry at everybody and he's taking revenge. He hates Republicans, so he's playing a cat and mouse game with them which will eventually backfire. He is angry at Democrats because they didn't vote which was a rejection of him and his policies. He blames them for the Republican takeover. And now a shutdown is looming and he will be to blame. The American people are going to see it as a betrayal. He chose illegal aliens over AMERICANS. And they wouldn't be wrong. He has gone off the deep end.
     
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    Just ask yourself, PP, Obama lied about HC, what price has he paid for that, or for F&F, tapping the lines at AP, or any one of a number of things other presidents would have paid a heavy price for? Basically zero, right.
    The media will NEVER allow a narrative that blames Obama for a shutdown. NEVER! And the reason they won't is the same reason it's always been, Obama is their guy, they're all-in, and they're not going to throw him under the bus ....no way...no how.
     
  7. mjz

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    What Amnesty program?
    If you ever start dealing in reality and want a serious discussion, just let us know.
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    You mean this democratic poll which show 67% support the goals of the program?
    http://aufc.3cdn.net/1b1ad804b726a59000_u7m6bxtti.pdf

    Or this one by CNN/ORC
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/11/26/cnnorc-immigration-poll112614.pdf
    Which indicates 26% of Americans think Obama's plan for those immigrants goes too far, while 50% called it about right and 22% said it doesn't go far enough?

    Or when you say the American Public, do you actually mean the fringe right?

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    Obama is knocking off campaign promises one by one.
    Did you forget, he was elected twice with sizeable margins of victory.
    He does what he says he will do.
    That goes from red lines to campaign promises.

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    Let him shut it down. Let him try and veto something. There are enough Dems over this who will sign with the Republications to do an override.
     
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    If before legislation is voted upon, when the Chief Executive tells Congress he will veto legislation in its present form, and the controlling party in Congress does not have votes to override the veto, then the party who places the bill in position for veto is to blame for a shut down. Period.
    Just the way it has always been.

    I'm banking the fringe right will be stupid enough ti try it yet again. What a bunch of maroons.

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    Federal immigration law says people here illegally taking away jobs and sucking up social services should be deported.
    Obama says, however, these people can stay indefinitely and not only that I will grant them the equivalents of green cards helping them take jobs and qualify for Uncle Scam's grab bag of federal benefits (all at public expense, of course).

    That's amnesty and this http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/im...f-oppose-executive-action-immigration-n251631 is the public showing their disapproval for such underhanded selling out of the middle class in favor of
    uninvited law breakers and resource takers.
     
  13. Professor Peabody

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    So was his executive order amnesty, but that didn't stop him.

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    Looks like Obama is learning from the Dictator........

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    Who learned from the Grand Master.
     
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    I was actually thinking of the NBC/WSJ poll. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-reform/nbc-wsj-poll-nearly-half-oppose-executive-action-immigration-n251631

    I guess there is more than one poll and one set of results huh?
     
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    You're failing to take in to account the dems who are not going to fall on their sword for King Obama anymore.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Others say it's the fringe left that's out of whack. So, what's your point.
     
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    Not even close to what the executive order says.
    You are wholly uninformed.

    As for your poll, it was prior to the executive action.
    And even then only 48% objected. Not even a majority.
    Polls show favorablility post order.


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    If you say so.
    It's not the democrats who are fractured and splintered as a political organization.
    They are in agreement over policy.

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    My point is that what was said -- namely that the goal/policy of the EO is unpopular with the American public -- is false. Even the old poll linked disproves the claim. And it isn't the fringe -- immigration reform is popular with mainstream democrats, centrists, and moderate republicans. Reference the bi-partisan law that already passed the senate.
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    You mean a poster like me who has actually read the executive order unlike a poster like you who hasn't? Unless you read it and don't understand it. Nah... you didn't read it.

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    Your attempts to claim the ends of immigration reform justifies the means is predictably false. People do want immigration fixed.
    They do not want Obama to simply wave a wand over the problem and do an illegal end run around Congress.

    Any reform HAS to start with real border security before all else. As long as Obama pretends otherwise and tries to
    wipe his rear with the constitution immigration reform is a non starter.

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    I actually have read many reports from a variety of sources on his plans. Nothing I've posted about it is false unlike your many specious claims on the subject.
     
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    Sorry, Opinion polls and even the GOPs internal reviews tell a different story.
    Every president since Bush I has tried to address it. And Reagen did.
    That simply doesn't happen if it is unpopular.
    You need to become better informed of the desires of your fellow countrymen.
    Ya know... if you care to coexist and not be so angry all of the time.


    You may also want to look deeper at border security.
    first, the border never was as insecure as you make it out to be, but moreover Obama policy has ramped up security and deported more than any other administration. That's just fact.

    Further, the executive order as well as the bi-partisan senate bill begins with border security.
    When you would like to deal in reality -- let me know.

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  24. Professor Peabody

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    Yeah, that's obvious.
    I'm talking about reading the actual thing. You know -- think for yourself.
    I've made zero specious claims.
    Every claim I have made is outlined in the EO.
    You didn't read it, but expect to be taken seriously.

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    Like I said, if you ever re-join reality --- let us know.
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