Israel killed more Palestinians in 2014 than in any other year since 1967

Maybe if Israel left gaza life would be good for everyone. Why don't you put the blame where it belongs?

 

Europe also has almost 50 million muslims.
A stark contrast from the USA's 2.6 million.

One could wonder why many countries in Europe are wanting a restriction on muslim immigration!

 

Correct, lots American are ignorant, about 16% it looks like!

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Facts are facts and the fact is, only 16% of Americans support the Palestinians.

 

Peace talks are an attack too? You people are loons. It's like clockwork.

 

The Palestinians have themselves to blame for that. If you don't want retaliation, then don't stuff that will force the other guy to retaliate.

It's all part of a cycle.

1) Attack Israel.
2) Get Israel to kill as many of your people as possible.
3) Win PR points.
4) Get aid.
5) Use aid to build stuff that you can use to attack Israel.
6) Repeat.

The Nazis were democratically elected.

They don't.

Which is why Hamas puts rockets there. Hamas has one goal: Maximize civilian casualties.

 

Indeed. Israel throws them around to use it as their PR tool for people like you to use.
While everybody knows Israel ethnic cleanses Arabs and thieves their belongings.

 

Yeah, they wait until a hundred or so rockets are fired at them before they fire back. Real aggressive. Brutal, ethnic cleansing, is that what you call that? You are a leftist, right?

 

I'm thinking the anti Israel talking points were issued a couple days back. The nuts are speaking in unison.

 

It is rather well known that Israel expands beyond their recognized borders by ethnic cleansing Arabs, to put their Jews on Arab land. That is a war crime. People who politically, economically and military take part in that endeavor are war criminals.

There is nothing morally wrong to take out war criminals.

 

They certainly DID pull back. You might want to read up about it before you make that claim again.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4841877

Israel has made many peace offerings - but the Pals, Hamas in particular, will not stop firing the rockets into Israel.

Only when Israel elected Hamas - an official terrorist organization that swears to annihilate Israel - did Israel institute the blockade to stop Hamas from getting the weapons they needed.

To listen to folks like you - folks who really have no idea of the history of the conflict - you'd think Israel caused all of it, when actually, the reverse is true.

Israel might have shot one fisherman that breached the water lines - but most of the time the boats are just confiscated until they determine that there are no weapons and then they are returned. That's standard procedure.

There would be no embargo now - no closing of the Rafah crossing (BY EGYPT, not by Israel) had the people not elected a known terrorist faction and then started lobbing rockets into Israel again.

In 2005, not only did the military pull out - they forced the Jewish settlers to leave the Gaza settlement - and to ensure that they did not sneak back in - they bulldozed them. It was a huge withdrawal. You should read up about it, because you've got it all wrong.

 

And why did Israel take that land? If it were simply ethnic cleansing, they would have kept going until everyone was killed. There is no such thing as partial ethnic cleansing. The Jews know that more than anyone.

 

It's rather obvious its because of religious extremism. Something about God saying it's okay to commit genocide vs the people of Canaan and take the land that is "theirs". Kind of like ISIS atm.

Wiki:
Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory with the intent of making it ethnically or religiously homogeneous.

And that is what Israel does with their Jew-colonies that they are building across the border.


Ethnic cleansing is a war crime. Making a colony across the border on land your nation occupies... is a war crime. Israel does both. Their government got it on their agenda to do. People who vote on that, support it. People who join the IDF, commit it. Some exploit it. And there is no moral problem in killing war criminals. There is a moral problem to claim war criminals may use deadly force to protect their ways against their victims.

 

I think maybe you should take the history lesson a few posts back. Might do you some good. It might relax the Jew hate thing.

 

Nono/... according to the religious text hold holy... The Jews were slaves in Egypt. Their God massacred the completely first born babies, so them Jews could party on their corpses. Than they marched to the land of Canaan to commit genocide because their God said it was their land for the taking. Of course non of it is true. The Jews left Egypt, because they weren't there. The massacre of the babies didn't happen. And they probably are the Canaanites themselves. The similarities in the objects they used points towards that.

Not that it matters. Because they believe their text saying it's ok to massacre around and take that land.
Hence the Arabs get slaughtered around and ethnic cleansed, so they can build their colonies on thieved land.
It's unaccepted behavior in such a way that it's morally just to kill them religious extremists.

 

Thats a different matter, its a pity you couldnt avoid trying to link Muslim immigration to the Palestine question. Americans have been taught for a long time to hate and fear arabs and muslims so I understand where youre coming from.

 

What do you mean theres no such thing as partial ethnic cleansing?

Thats probably the most stupid thing ive heard from you guys in a while, and ive heard alot of it.

 

No they dont wait until a hundred rockets are fired etc etc, thats pure prop. nonsense youve picked up.

 

Sure it does.

There are less terrorists.

 

Uh no thats the trouble with you cautious, youre actually not very cautious with your statements, in fact you seem to think that a little smattering of information will do in discussion with us as if we've no experience or deep knowledge in this area.

They evacuated settlers and soldiers, they retained significant control. Dont take it from me. This is from Israelis themselves;

http://www.btselem.org/download/200705_gaza_insert_eng.pdf

No Israel has not made many peace offerings. And Hamas has offered peace along the 67 borders. Israel retained control of Gazan space long before the election of Hamas.

If you wish to discuss the history of the conflict bit by bit and piece by piece I'm happy to do that. You as an American conservative mistake a smattering of right wing slant and no actual reading for actual accurate understanding of the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict.

See above, even Israelis, not to mention Human Rights watch disagree with you. Im happy to debate this with you any time. You have no credibility here in debate with us, we've been here for years, and I've discussed these matters with right wing Americans and Israelis far better informed than you. So lets see what youve got. Or consider your clock thoroughly cleaned this time.

 

What do you expect Israeli leaders to do when rockets coming from Gaza are slamming into the homes of innocent Israelite citizens? Or when the citizens read daily of terrorist atrocities committed in the name of Islam and PA righteousness? If I were an Israeli and my family was harmed or god forbid killed I would not have nearly the same restraint that the Israeli officials and citizens are demonstrating! I am sure if the situation were reversed and it was your neighboring country who was commiting acts of terror including lobbing rockets into your nations cities and homes etc the death toll would be similar!

Terrorism is NEVER correct or right. Fight a war with or against warriors, not from launching rockets from the houses of old men and women, ie using the helpless as human shields. What coward would do such a thing anyway?

reva

 

From your own link:

"In August 2005, after
dismantling all Jewish
settlements in the Gaza
Strip, the Israeli military withdrew
its forces from the area, thus
completing what has been labeled "The
Disengagement".
Many people hoped that Israel’s
disengagement would separate Israelis
from Palestinians, and create the
foundations for a better future. Two
years later, Israelis and Palestinians are
still locked in bitter conflict.
Since disengagement, Palestinians
have fired some 2800 Qassam rockets
and mortar shells from the Gaza Strip
into Israel, killing four Israelis and
injuring hundreds more, particularly
in the southern city of Sderot. "

Oh dear. You're one of those who makes lofty claims about his/her knowledge and assumes others have no knowledge. Let me assure you - I've forgotten more about the Middle Eastern conflict than you will ever know.

Your citation of B'Tselem shows how little you actually know about the issues. B'Tselem has been slapped numerous times by international agencies for false reporting and bias. B'Tselem, is ONE tiny fringe in Israel - and does not represent the larger part of Israel. That bursts your little bubble, I'm sure, and despite your claim of "knowing things and stuff," you're one of the least knowledgeable people (on this subject) that I've ever run across.

Now, if we can get your silliness out of the way - lets try to see if you can debate a bit more honestly and admit that you're citing biased groups.

Let me help you out here a bit - there will NEVER be a treaty that pushes Israel back to the 67 borders, so you can quit crying about it. Won't happen. Period.

There will never be a 'right of return' for Arab Palestinians into greater Israel - so - that's off the table, too.

Before you cite another NGO like B'Tselem, find out if they've been charged with misinformation and falsehoods. That might save you some time.

Lastly - understand that if you have to play the "I know more than you do card," we all realize you're only fooling yourself. If you want to bring real discussion - bring it. But don't think I'm going to let you slip by just because you "claim" to know "stuff" and "things." That isn't going to happen.

Even from your own biased link, I've shown you the error of your ways. Then next time you want to cite something - post the actual phrases that back up your position. It's never acceptable to just throw in a link and then expect other posters to analyze it. Do your own homework and research.

Consider your clock thoroughly cleaned.

 

As you can see from your own biased link - sometimes they wait until thousands of rockets are fired before they respond.

You really need to brush up on this topic a bit.

 

He brings up a valid point that you have failed to answer.

Why - if as you say Israel's actions are "ethnic cleansing" did they not just continue to push all the Gazans out?

Quit deflecting and give us a real answer - not a link to something you haven't even read - just answer in a logical fashion.

 

Look, it's obvious that you're riding a leftist bandwagon but you don't have a clue as to what you're supporting.

 

There is a difference between ethnic cleansing and cleaning out terrorists who are killing innocent civilians. I can not believe that anyone would support murderous terrorists WITHOUT A RULE OF LAW over a nation that actually prosecutes criminals. Well I do believe that people even the bulk of a nations people can be psychologically coerced into believing lies and other distortions because I have seen this kind of propagandist brain washing with my own eyes and I know of even more insidious forms of it by historical accounts as well.

No maybe (for sure) if the Hamas and Palestinian terrorists left Gaza life would be good for everyone (ie the law abiding citizens).

reva