Permissive Laws for Gun Exhibitionists

Nonsense. Having a gun does not mean you need or wish to shoot every problem. I, myself have used a gun or the threat of a gun to prevent violence on at least three different occasions. I never had to fire a shot.

 

Open season? ^_- how do you come to that conclusion? Becasue it's possible for someone to legally conceal carry a firearm it's "open season"? What about the possibility of them illegally conceal carrying a firearm? "Open Season"?

btw, here's some facts. According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, there are 11.1million CCW holders - or about 8% of the population. Also, CCW holders have been less likely to kill themselves or others - so why the big worry about legal gun owners?

 

I'm talking about the overall attitude I've heard from many; not YOU per se.

 

The problem is the bulk of gun crime comes from people not legally possessing firearms to begin with. If they are already breaking laws, why would they stop when another law is added?

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Firearms give people the ability to fight threats that would likely end with them being harmed. That should never be taken away.

 

They are too easy to get. More restrictions are required. That will become more evident over time.

 

But the people legally getting them account for very little of gun crime. The problem is the black market, and regulations passed don't really influence said market. Specifically, what obstacle would you like to see put in place?

 

The status quo is what we have, but sticking with that for all time would be insanity, in my view.

 

But what specifically would you like to see added ?

 

I'm not an expert. So, any specific I share would be tempered by deeper analysis that I would not even attempt to do here. My wishlist is not guaranteed (by any means) to become policy or law. I can only HOPE to influence outcomes by sharing with my elected representatives the concerns I have overall.

In general, I know it's wrong to simply embrace the status quo, when it is a fact that most of anything we do/allow can indeed be improved. It's not as though NATURE (or God) has mandated what we're doing here now.

We CAN change and improve things; anyone not realizing that is (in my view) a significant part of the problems we're all seeing.

 

You simply don't understand. There are somewhere between 200k and 1 million times a year when a gun is deployed defensively by a person not in law enforcement, in 99.9999percent of cases no shot is ever fired does that sound to you like gun owners are looking to shoot someone?

As for the dimwits on here that keep saying gun owners are a bunch of scaredycats there is an anecdote that seems appropriate: A cop pulls a little old lady over to inform her that her tail light is out as he approaches the car the spinster warns him that she has a gun. By the time all is said and done she has revaeled a .38 in her purse a glock in the console and a .44 magnum under the seat. The cop looks at her and says, "Jeeze lady what are you afraid of?" She looks up at him and smiles and says, "Not a damn thing, sonny, not a damn thing."

We do not own guns because we are afraid. We own guns that evil men might fear us and that the innocent might be protected from the evil.

 

If the attitude you are being confronted with seems abrasive, perhaps you introduced the abrasiveness to begin with, and are not getting back what you put in. Do not bemoan the rights of others, and be surprised when you are confronted by hostility.

 

NO!!! YOU seem to think that what we have is 'good enough'; I'm not buying that BS. Sorry.

 

No. I've been listening to all side of this for years.

Now, I'm a little less tolerant... because you have to PUSH to change society. So, the political fight is where it's at... even if it's generations of the same.

What we have is NOT good enough; the way we live as Americans should ALWAYS be about improving things. Most pro-gun folks are STUCK in old fears and ideas. It is obvious.

 

What old fears and ideas are you referring to? How are these fears and ideas outdated in the world of today?

 

And you are SALIVATING at the thought! Truly sick.

 

Dude, just admit it: you want only police and criminals to be armed. Stop beating around the bush and just admit it!

 

That's deep. Did you figure that one out all on your own?

 

People being scared is not an appropriate reason to curtail rites. Just because there are people scared of Muslims should we ban their religion? Just because people are scared of racist's should we say they cannot speak their views? Just because we are scared the press is lying should we ban the press? No of course not. THis guy is trying to make a statement about his rites. He is trying to draw attention to the situation. Just like when equal rites proponents do something to demonstrate discrimination. He is correct in the fact that he was being harassed. Would you defend a cop that did the same thing to a black man walking through Beverly Hills?

 

Most firearms sold on the black market are diverted, at some point, from the legal market. Often thru straw purchases or unscrupulous licensed dealers. Registration laws, mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms and increased oversight of firearms dealers could actually have significant impact on the black market.

 

If the black man in Beverly Hills was carrying an AR-15, he'd probably get shot by the police...

 

You should say "would of" because already there are more guns in circulation then people in the country. As such making it more difficult to get into the black market makes very little difference. Lets say you do make it more difficult and the number of new weapons decreases even 50% how is that worth the restriction of the 2nd amendment? How are we safer when any criminal in the country can already have a 100 weapons and not even impact the new ones on the market. Lack of new weapons does not equate to a lack of weapons in the hands of criminals.

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What is your point sir? Ie what relevance does that have on the conversation?

 

Yeah, those measures had significant impact on the black market in Brazil and Russia and Mexico...oh, wait, no they didn't. One thing that was accomplished however, is now in those countries illegally held firearms outnumber or rival those that are legally held. I wouldn't call that a worthy goal.

 

Are you insinuating that an American citizen exercising his Constitutionally protected rights has a high probability of being murdered by an armed enforcement wing of the government based on his skin tone?

If so, damn, all the more reason that private citizens should be armed.

 

Nonsense. The majority of illegal firearms are obtained through straw purchases and unscrupulous licensed dealers. A reduction in the primary source disrupts the market. To suggest otherwise is foolish.

A lot of the same people defending the guy in the OP would just as quickly defend the cop for shooting a black exercising hisrights. Just because you have the right to do ssomething doesn't mean you're not an idiot for doing it.

 

I do not believe in denying anyone their rites including idiots.

As to your first part please prove that most of the weapons getting into criminal hands today are new sales. If so where are the other 300 million guns?