Children will win the fight for same sex marriage and adoption by gays!

In all states there are same sex parents raising kids, too.

What is your justification for discriminating against those families?

Simply suggesting that you like heterosexuals doesn't form a justification for discrimination.


Remember that marriage is extended to those who do not have and don't ever intend to have children, and that children are obtained in a number of different ways - and have been since the dawn of man.

 

Well, the courts do require there to be a justification for discrimination.

So, caving in court WILL have consequences.

Beyond that, though, I have two relatives who are gay and I've worked with those who are gay in a leading technology company here in America. So, when you want to discriminate against them, it does bother me, and I DO think you need to justify yourself when you work to deny them a very important aspect of human life.

 

You're right. It would be ridiculous to expect you to be able to justify your stance.

Millions of children of hetrosexual parents have been abused. Your arguments are a fail.

 

Nobody really expects reason, facts, evidence or logic to impress you. Nobody expects you to understand that granting equal rights to other people is not an attack on you, because the attack is very real in your imagination. Unfortunately for you, a substantial and growing majority of US citizens now agree with me, which means they are out to attack you with "hate thoughts". You must sleep very poorly these days.

 

Holy crap dude! You’re accusing me of trolling you?? Settle down! Don’t have an aneurism! You responded to my thread with some inane bigoted bovine excrement that is irrelevant to the issue of same sex marriage. I responded with a reasonable, measured, and documented post countering your assertions that 1) gay parents are detrimental to children and 2) explained why, regardless of the quality of gay parenting , it is not a logical reason to oppose same sex marriage. And this is your response??!! And you call me a troll? Hardline commie gay mafia agenda?? What a joke! You are apparently not a reasonable person to engage in a rational discussion of the topic. Have a good evening and don’t bother me again

 

Even more of them closely related, raising kids. Does nothing for the argument for gay marriage.

 

Well, do you need me to explain what "most" means?

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Perversion is completely subjective.

 

Sure it does. What other couples do or don't do isn't relevant to the topic. Which is same sex marriage. If you so desperately wish to marry your brother, take your case to court. Same sex marriage doesn't hinge on it.

 

Actually, the single mother and grandmother down the street are of the same sex.

 

Actually, they are a closely related couple, which supersedes the same sex part. But you knew that, and you know it's a separate legal question having nothing to do with same sex marriage.

 

You have seemed to suggest that marriage is for raising kids.

And, I'm pointing out that same sex couples are raising kids.

I'm pointing out that your justification for discrimination against same sex couples is false.

 

And I am pointing out that so are closely related couples. If you want a preference in the law for gays, when it comes to kids, you need SOME justification for doing so.

Youll need to string together a few words and make your argument as to why it is false, if you can. ABSURD to argue that marriage has nothing to do with procreation and that therefore excluding gays is unconstituional, while arguing that all gays must be included because some of them are raising kids together.

 

Well first, this is a strawman. Second, same sex marriage is not dependent upon anything other than legal arguments for same sex marriage. Other types of couples aren't relevant.

Please dont pretend you've not had it explained. I just did so again above.

And another strawman.

 

No, I want marriage equality for same sex couples.

As for the other, here goes.

1. The reasons for marriage are NOT limited to the procreation or raising of children. So, outside of genetic testing that some states do, there is absolutely NO justification in focusing on children as the deciding factor in who should be allowed to get married.

That's enough right there. Your whole procreation argument is totally bogus.

BUT, I'll add:

2. Same sex couples and hetero couples acquire kids in a number of different ways. Focusing on one such method is irrelevant, since several methods are in popular use - both by hetero couples and same sex couples.


So, you now know why your whole "procreation" argument is bogus and you can stop using children as an excuse for discriminating against same sex couples.

 

I think that I can speak for most everyone here by saying that we are really tired of this nonsense:

I am well aware of the fact that while there is no universal prohibition against consanguineous marriage, however:

Do you really believe that there is no difference between same sex marriage between unrelated persons and your fictitious "mother and grand mother down the street" Dixon? Do you really think that the government would not have some legitimate or compelling interest in not allowing this?

I started this thread to deal with a serious subject and you have contributed NOTHING constructive to it. I think that is appalling.!!

\ Get real or just get out of here!

 

I don't care one bit if you're bothered. I haven't denied anyone anything, I have an opinion I'm still allowed to express under the first amendment of the Constitution, and I'm stating that opinion here. Until the day comes that the gay mafia and the Marxists known as progressives manage to remove the Constitution as our governing document, I WILL NOT be silenced.

And I don't owe you anything either. I stand by my position; it's a perverse lifestyle to which children shouldn't be subjected. No one can force me to approve of perversion. No one. I won't "bother" any gays and I won't be friends with them either. That is MY right.

 

Irrelevant. YOUR argument failed.

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I sleep well and don't think about you or your drama.

 

These studies are not cited, making your claim irrelevant. Perversion is specific and not subjective at all. The militant gay lobby and activists have attempted to force perversion to be accepted as normal by society. It will never be normal and all the weasel words in the world won't make it so.

Society will come to largely accept it, but it's still perversion regardless. Personally, I don't really care. But I won't ever accept it as normal and won't be bullied into it either.

 

Uh....yeah. Especially to the perverted.

 

Wrong. You are still in the minority. You're just too leftie to discern that fact, truth and reality.

 

Good morning Taylor and welcome to PF.

As you might have noticed, this is a discussion about same sex marriage and how marriage effects children

Do you have an argument that you would like to present - a conclusion supported by a premise ?

Or, are you just here to take up space y tossing out little snippets like "lefty" and "perversion"

May I suggest that you start by reading the OP and formulate an appropriate and thoughtful response to it. That is how you get to be taken seriously as opposed to ignored.

 

I think she was very clear about her position on this issue.

 

I think that I was very clear when I told you to leave me alone following your inane response to my previous post. You are on IGNORE

 

No relevant difference whatsover in marriage where procreation is irrelevant and the intent of marriage is to foster the formation of stable homes.

 

Procreation is irrelevant now!! Wow!! Just WOW Let me get this right. Procreation is irrelevant when it comes to your mother and grandmother, but marriage is all about procreation when it comes to gay folks.

Oh, and they already have a stable home