Public school under fire for sending kids on field trip to creationist museum

Upheld how ? The field trip has come and gone ? What exactly is it that you want to happen ?

 

yes, the teacher broke the rules, I guess we should say that about all crime against our children, oh well, the crime has come and gone, let's just Duggar it

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100 years is a blink of an eye in terms of evolutionary changes. Evolution tracks the continuous adaptations over the course of of millions, if not billions of years. Jump forward a million years into the future, and the ancestors of that moth will have made so many adaptations that we would not consider it to be the same species anymore.

 

I didn't say creationism. I said creation, the first life, that which science hasn't a clue.

 

First of all, there are many Christian priests with a background in biology. Secondly, science is based on testable hypothesis. What experiment can you devise to test the validity if a religious belief?

 

According to the article it was an annual field trip, but this year the students were blocked from participating in it

 

Ok. Where's the seperation part? Government can't tell churches what to do. Religion doesn't have that constraint. Going to this museum is a far cry from "making any law".

 

This same clown of a principle will probably decide that Montana taxpayers should now fund a field trip to the Ark Encounter in Kentucky after it's completed.

 

I personally don't object to such a field trip, but only in the context of a scared straight type scenario. "This is what pseudoscience looks like, beware!!!"

 

that is like saying where does it say Americans have the right to own a gun, it doesn't say that specifically in the constitution, but the long established interpretation is what we go by

separation of church and state is the long established interpretation... this allows everyone to have religious freedom, even those not of the majorities religion or a different flavor of the majorities religion

there used to be much Christian infighting in early America... this is why the schools no longer proselytize to students

any school the proselytizes risks losing public funding.... any budget law passed funding that school would be unconstitutional as respecting a religion

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It should be the right of local school districts to decide if they want to send their students to a creationist museum.

 

Perfectly stated Fresh. I bet some of these folks would be singing a different tune if a school principal named Abdul used taxpayer funds to take kids on a field trip to The Muslim Cultural Museum & Theme Park.

 

Who cares what YOU want, there are others who might find it interesting. You seem like an Authoritarian that what is good for your kid must be good for everyone else. Lose the superiority complex dude. It was a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing museum..BFD.

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Not according to Lefties here, they think it's THEIR choice of what schools do. I swear these people are dangerous Authoritarians.

 

If you don't want your child to attend such a field trip, don't send them to school that day. If this were happening at my child's school, I'd simply explain to him that most aspects of the exhibits at the museum as based on ideas without any scientific evidence to support them. Then we'd sit down together and research about evolution online. I'd encourage him to go on the trip and question everything the tour guide says based on what we learned online. He's shy, so he wouldn't do it anyway.

Such a trip can be used to a moment for a parent to bond with their children over something educational, as well as teach them to think critically about the many differing beliefs in society.

 

"God created everything" is a hypothesis, just like every scientific idea started. A hypothesis is not discarded because it cannot be tested, it simply remains a hypothesis until human knowledge has advanced to the point at which it can be examined further. Discarding an idea (hypothesis) because it cannot be currently tested is not the scientific method.

You did not answer my question, in fact you reinforced my complaint. A dog breeder can manipulate the dog's traits, but its still a dog, the breeder might have changed the dogs size or color through directed adaptation, but did not create a new species.

Answer my original question: how do you go from a species with 20 chromosomes (for example) to a species with 22? And how does that first 22 chromosome individual reproduce?

 

Public schools have every 'business' presenting beliefs in America, especially when that belief is held by the majority. The obvious solution is, of course, to have a field trip to a museum that focuses on the leftists' favorite meme, evolution. But then, that's probably already been done (my guess). Lefties are, per usual, just whining about 'both' sides being presented to the kids in the name of education vs. just their side in the name of indoctrination.

 

Belief in evolution is not a POLITICAL JUDGEMENT. It is a scientific judgment absent religion.
Belief in "creationism" is not a POLITICAL JUDGEMENT. It is a religious judgment absent science.

Partisan attempts to render such beliefs as attributes of a particular political bias merely demonstrate how stupidly simple minded and anti-intellectual partisanship can be.

 

heck, they have issues funding any religion but their own

"Vouchers can be used for Muslim Schools? OOPS!"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/06/1106793/--Vouchers-can-be-used-for-Muslim-Schools-OOPS

 

Hehe. Someone should tell Hodges that, unfortunately, the constitution won't allow her to write law impeding the free exercise of religion.

 

I would not object to my kids being taken on a field trip to a "creationist" museum.

By the time they were in the third grade, they had years of reading and watching videoes and asking questions about the reign of dinosaurs, about mankind's origins, about the basics of science, not to mention reading about bible myths like adam and eve and noah and recognizing them for the same kind of stories they see on kid's shows.

Having children exposed to alternative ideas and perspectives is not something to be feared, it is to be embraced and used as singular learning opportunities. (that is if you are an involved parent, which regrettably there aren't enough of).

 

Science science science. On just about every religion debate theres people shouting about science and what science is and why its so much better than religion as if the two do the same thing and science has the functions to replace religion. Its hilarious.

Check this, even if science can answer every single question about the universe science still doesnt answer what we ought to do with that information. David Hume famously called it the problem of ought and is. Science can never answer a question on ethics, nor should it as its limitations on ethics are precisely what makes it science.

You people getting made over religion in education (especially Christianity) are almost acting like it never happened or should have never happened.

 

We don't teach kids based on what we don't know.

 

Have you tried reading a science book instead of the creationist websites you so obviously read? Pick up a book by Richard Dawkins.

 

Works for me. Somewhere on the bookshelves I have a copy of The Blind Watchmaker. Well worth the read, even if it was published in 1986.

 

I think this is much ado about nothing.