For a change, how about an actual and honest discussion of Noah's Ark-

... not the way the church people try to explain it, of course.

 

Ancient Church people made up the meanings of what the Bible said.
They had to explain what was written.

They did the best they could, because they had no idea what REALLY had taken place.
Today, we all can see that 22 species in the genealogy before the great "flood" out-of-Africa did happen.
And some men who would survive after the great extinction of all the Neanderthals would become the sons-of-Truth who avoided extinction.

The great "ark" was the mind of modern man which did carry the names of all the animals into the next world.

These men would have had intercourse with Neanderthals, too.

Its all in the Bible.

 

I think the plagues which scripture describes for Moses is where that event was used in the Bible.

 

Do you believe that Reality is the master of the living?

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

 

Yes, the Science is just a theory.

Theories may just be right or wrong over tim.
But today, with all these people believing the science theories, why are you so determine to tell them they must believe because your idea about scripture has a counter argument???

Why not let all the "believer" who are "saved" believe,... quietly.
Then help me get the unbelievers to see that science also confirms the Bible?

 

That is the issue here we are discussing.
I already know that is your position.

 

Clever. Strictly speaking we do not know with absolute certainty what a black hole is; black holes were predicted theoretically by different people at different times mathematically, and today we see phenomena through powerful telescopes and other equipment that appear to confirm their existence.

However, people who see evidence for their god of choice aren't beholden to any scientific standards. God is undefined, just as its expected effects in the world are undefined. Some people look at life and decide that it must have been created by something, but it's not clear why I or anyone else should accept that idea. I don't feel that way when I look around me, but rather see a world full of evolved, and of course still-evolving, life, with one species in particular that has developed just enough intelligence to be self-aware and curious about itself and its origins, but then is also all too often incapable of accepting the reality before it, causing it to retreat into comforting fantasies and blissful ignorance instead.

 

Inbreeding of a small isolated group like Noah's family would lead to extinction.

 

Yes.
Clearly they were species.
Men do not live for 950 years.

 

Mumbo jumbo.What does the "son of Reality" being truth have to do with the Bible?

If it is actually proportionate, then tell us the proportion and stop stalling.

 

Except that isn't what Genesis 1 says. The first time EVER that dry land appears is after God has gathered all the waters, according to Genesis. And if this moment is talking about when Pangea was created, when, in the Bible, do the Earth's continents begin to actually look like it does today?

 

How could there be a Garden of Eden in a Pangea that obviously no longer exists?

 

Then there is the "ark" of the covenant... What's interesting is that Bedouin people carried their god from place to place on a box on a litter. Frequently what was inside was a meteor of a piece of a meteor.

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There were lots of king's gardens all over Mesopotamia......... "gardens of delight".

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There were lots of king's gardens all over Mesopotamia......... "gardens of delight".

 

You're not answering the question or dealing with the problem. Genesis 1 clearly is about God creating the heavens and Earth, and yet you're saying that it's about him making Pangea.

 

None of which could have possibly existed when Pangea did.....Hell WE did not yet exist.

 

I'm no expert, but is it realistic to think that the Euphrates and Tigris rivers even existed in Pangea? The Bible says that those rivers flowed from Eden.

 

LOLOL.. I know.. that was hundreds of millions of years ago..

It gets really stupid when one tries to prove the earth is 6,000 years old.

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Nah.. those rivers flow into the Persian Gulf.

 

No, you added me to your Ignore list, because I called you out for your dishonesty and egomania.

BTW, wonder if there's a PF rule about thread-jacking somebody's thread when you have put that person on Ignore???

 

It's nonsense to quote a verse out of context like that.

Your attempts to line up numbers from the bible with numbers from science are sad in comparison to what actual numerologists accomplish. If you really want to take that approach, you should do some actual study.

On the other hand, numerology is a nonsense approach to studying the bible. No actual Christian is going to accept that approach, and no scientist will, either.

 

cupid dave takes the Bible and re-defines words in it to mean whatever he wants them to mean.

It's more than "interpretation"....it's almost literally like taking "To Kill A Mockingbird" and claim it's a science fiction novel about Martian Clam People at war with the Bug-Eyed Greys of Zeta Reticuli over which end of an egg you should eat first.

 

As I stated I cannot explain what I and my crew saw but we did see it.

It is theorized that tramatic events can be stored within specific materials thus Psyionic Brain Wave Generations are supposedly stoed in the Quantum Fabric of the Subatomic Structures and it is by no means a well defined science.

I hold multiple degrees and one of them is specific to Particle Physics.

I would not have posted this unless I and others had seen it.

AboveAlpha

 

What you post is blatently wrong.

Macroevolution both Biological and Quantum are and have been observed DAILY!!

There is Qauntum Evolution which when our Sun and other Stars fuses Hydrogen Atoms in Helium is a QUANTUM EVOLUTION upon a MACRO LEVEL!!

Biological Evolution is also a form of Quantum Evolution and it is upon a Macro Scale as well even if a Microscope must be used to watch it happen.

In one afternoon using a Microscope, Eye Droper, Bleach, Sugar Water and some prepared BACTERIA SLIDES and a SAMPLE HARVESTER TOOL which can be purched at any Toy and Hobby Shop...a person can VISUALLY WITNESS BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION ON A MACO SCALE....anything as large or larger than a Hydrogen Atom is MACRO SCALE.....happen.

I have posted about this more times then I can remember.

A person takes a Bacteria Laden Slide and drops a eye drop of Sugar Water upon it and waits 15 Minutes for the Bacteria to grow.

Then a person takes a drop of Bleach and put's it on the same slide.

The first time the vast majority of Bacteria will die in a few minutes.

A person then takes a fresh slide and useing the Harvesting Tool places the surviving bacteria on the new slide and drops a drop of sugar water on it....and waits 15 minutes.....then again the person drops a drop of BLEACH on the new slide and continue the same process over and over.

Within an hour a person will notice that the Bacteria do not all die as to the degree they did at fist and eventually after an afternoon of doing this THE VAST MAJORITY OF BACTERIA WILL HAVE EVOLVED TO A POINT VERY FEW DIE WHEN BLEACH IS ADDED.

THIS IS MACRO SCALE EVOLUTION SEEN RIGHT BEFORE A PERSONS EYE'S!!

If you attempt to deny this then you are much more uneducated than I thought.

AboveAlpha

 

Dave if you read the Tanakh....it states that MOSES NEVER PARTED THE RED SEA!!

Moses and the Hebrews CROSSED THE YAM SUPH...or SEAWEED SEA OR REED SEA.

It states this 23 Times.

The Roman Imperial Biblical Canon either mistranslated the Hebrew or outright changed the story.

So I would not puch much reliability in what the Old Testament states.

AboveAlpha

 

He simply lacks the education and knowledge necessary to understand how people can twist realities to support their beleifs.

Look...he states this total fallacy as he does not understand it....he posts..."Macroevolution has never been observed or repeated."...end quote Qchan.

What is SAD is he doesn't even know what constitutes the Macro Level and the Quantum Level.

He doesn't understand that a Bacteria or an Atom exists upon the MACRO LEVEL.

The Quantum Level is such as how the Electrons Orbital Fields around an Atomic Nucleus do not act the same as Celestial Mechanics and Gravity.

He also has absolutely NO CLUE that an Electron...being a Quantum Particle/Wave Form....exists as BOTH PARTICLE AND WAVE.

Aswell the position of an one Electron in an Electron Orbital Field IS INDETERMINATE and exists as ALL POINTS OF POSITION SIMEULTANEUSLY with in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or more or less Orbits.

He does not understand anything about how many Electrons will fill an orbit depending upon how many orbits a specific element has.

And he does not understand the reasons for Electromagnetism as I could ask him and he might even quote a LINK....but he still would not understand it.

He does not understand that Quantum Evolution is happening all around us and all Elements up to Iron were created in Stars and all from Iron up as such Heavy Elements were created in the EXPLOSIONS OF SUPERNOVAS......thus the UNIVERSE IS ANCIENT IN THE EXTREME!!

AboveAlpha