For a change, how about an actual and honest discussion of Noah's Ark-

Well, "Yam" is the primordial god of chaos and represents the power of the sea... Suf just seems to be water... I have read analysis of the term and it may not have anything at all to do with the Reed Sea either... and there is a corresponding belief in Islam..

Where the Israelites escaped the bondage and chaos (slavery) of ignorance of God.. the Muslims speak of the "time of the ignorance".

Here is a discussion on the problems with translation that agrees with you but questions the location.. scroll down.

https://www.ou.org/torah/machshava/tzarich-iyun/tzarich_iyun_the_translation_of_yam_suf/

 

Gen. 1:26 And God, (the theistic Almighty Universal First Cause), said, (in proclamation), Let us, (i.e.; Reality an Truth), make man, (through the process of gradual evolution),.. Let us make man, (as a micro cosmos reflection of the Universe, in his mind, an Immanent reflection of God), IN OUR IMAGE, (after the spirit of our orderly panentheistic organization): and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

You are doing what it takes to "read the Old Testament corectly"
You are investigating what KJV has sent to us as representing what they thought the Jewish Old Testament had said.

But they did not do a totally correct job.
We must learn what it actually said.

Then we can place more confidence in it.

 

Where do you get the authority to rewrite scripture? Are you doing this or are you using some one else's work as a cut and paste?

 

Margot2....the area where the Yam Suph was located was at the end of the Red Sea North and between the Med...as this was a Tidal Reed Filled area that has been escavated and many Egyptian Chariots have been found here that were swamped when the tide came in and swamped them.

AboveAlpha

 

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I am saying that The Bible, in Gen 1:9-10 states that the first Pangea-type situation took place on the evening of the Archean Era and the morning of the Proterozoic third "day."


Gen. 1:9 And (Father Nature, almighty Reality), “God,” said, Let, (Panthalassa), the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let (Pangea), the dry land appear:
(composed of the Seven Large Tectonic Plates:
1. North American Plate,
2. Pacific Plate,
3. South American Plate,
4. African Plate,
5. Eurasian Plate,
6. Antartic Plate,
7. Australian Plate),...

...and it was so.


Gen. 1:13 And the (Neo-archean) evening (of the Archean Era) and the (Paleo-proterozoic) morning (of the Proterozoic Era) were the third "day," (time, period [general]).

 

No, they did not exist on the third "day"of creation.
"The third day" is what the Bible says about a Pangea.
This guy bought up the subject about Pangea here, and it is unrelated to the topic.
What re you guys even tlking about here?

 

The reason they survived is because they had a loss of information and that's why the bleach didn't kill them.
So..It's not evolution,it's devolution.It is natural selection.

 

1) You have not explained why you think the Bible has to match our modern understanding of how the Universe started, how th Earth was formed, and how humanity came about. You keep making vague references to "Reality" and "Truth". Stop quoting the Buble and tell me in your own words why you think that the Bible has to be true.

2) This is like the fifth time you've ignored my call for the proportion that you claim you're using. What is the ratio that you're using in your scale? What do the numbers in your scale represent? Inches? Centimeters? Millimeters?

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If the third day is talking about the creation of the first supercontinent, when the hell does the Bible talk about the actual formation of the continents that we have today?

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If the third day is talking about the creation of the first supercontinent, when the hell does the Bible talk about the actual formation of the continents that we have today?

 

No.....NO! LOL!!!

Bleach will kill just about any Bacteria and it penetrates the Bacteria through and through.

Bleach permeates Living Cellular Structure so there is no need for injesting the bleach.

The Bacteria that survive are NATURAL SELECTION...SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.

As we continue to thin out that Bacteria that is suseptible to Bleach....we get both Genetic Mutation and Genetic Selection.

This is EVOLUTION in the purest sense of the word.

AboveAlpha

 

900 million years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthalassa

 

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What are you even taking about here?

The idea is that the Bible writers HAD to invent a metaphor of an Ark to tell us that Noah and the three racial stocks that did not become extinct.
The Ark was drawn t represent the actually meaning, or the Human Nervous System.
To make the story understandable, the Ark had dimensions which ancient readers could image held all the animals in the story.

There is no "numerology" here.

 

Yes.
But the first one was called Rodinia, which no one would have understood when they read the verses.
These plate movements keep coming together and then spread out again, over and over.

 

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I never meant that the Bible has to be true.
I meant the Bible is corresponding to what science also says.

 

The land masses are basically the same.
They just spread away from one another and then return again.
They are really eight major Tectonic Plates coming together and then parting, over and over.

 

It comes from the Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id18.html

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It comes from the Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id18.html

 

Hurray for you! No numerology in that case!

I agree that the Noah passages are alegory, which some fundamentalists dispute.

Genesis is also alegory. The idea that the tree of knowledge of good and evil was an actual tree is obvious nonsense, detracting from the importance of the story. Mankind has a fundamental problem, beautifully related in that book - a flaw that has nothing to do with actual trees or apples or fig leaves.

It makes no sense to struggle to make that book a science manual. That sucks the life out of it. One ends up worrying about Nod, how long people lived, whether all generations are accurately reported, what it means to separate light from dark, and other such details that are the realm of science and do not necessarily have importance as literal events ... at least in my opinion.

I wonder whether we haven't simply lost the alegorical significance of some of the elements of the creation story due to numerous translations, the fact that it was related orally before it was written, the politics of subsuming and converting those of other religions in ancient times, the differences in how those of our culture search for meaning, etc.

Don't try to paper this over with numerology.

 

Just about every culture has a tree of knowledge of good and evil and/or tree of life.

 

Uh, not unless you change the manipulate the text, and even then it doesn't correspond. Notice again how you avoid quoting me about the scale that you claim is "good". You can't even stand up to criticism of your interpretation, and you expect us to believe you that it corresponds? It's pathetic.

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And I'm sitting here asking you when, in the Bible, our continents began looking like they do today. Are you unable or unwilling to answer?

 

There are hundreds of Labs both Private and Universities that this year are applying for VERIFICATION OF GENERATING GENESIS.

Out of several hundred there are 8 candidates that have passed the first hurdle of verification and two that have passed the 2nd hurdle and it looks like 1 will be awarded to be the FIRST EVER GROUP TO HAVE GEBNERATED GENESIS IN THE LAB.

The most difficult part is making certian no life exists in the tank.

But it will be interesting to see what the Religious Groups will do and say when at least 1 Group is verified by the American Acadamy of Science to have generated Genesis in the Lab.

LIFE....is inevitable.

It is one of the end products of QUANTUM EVLUTION.

What we have found and what we understand is Quantum Particle/Wave Forms which are ENERGY Aand comprise ALL MATTER....continue to QUANTUMLY EVOLVE INTO GREATER AND GREATER COMPLEX STRUCTURES.

At first from the White Hole that caused the BIG BANG we had just Quanta existing at a super excited state....then Hydrogen as Plasma...and SUPER EXCITED STATE simply means HOT...REAL HOT!!

Then that Hydrogen as H2....as Hydrogen in Nature exists as an Elemental Molecule as there is one Electron and One Proton in an Electron Atom and since the First Electron Orbit becomes full when there is two Electrons in the first and in this case Last Orbit Hydrogen in Nature exists as H2.

H2 gathered via Gravity and when there was enough of it gathered gravitational effect generated Fusion thus Hydrogen Atoms fusing into Helium.

This is the first tenet of Quantum Evolution and it follows through all the way to Chemical Reaction generating the DNA Molecule.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually cameron was the first to bring up Pangaea and was rebutted all the way.

 

So by that logic, you believe science isn't necessarily true?