Atheists: where do you think we and the universe came from?

So is it all Muslims, or just Middle Eastern Muslims? Do Turkish Muslims count, or Moroccans, with a huge Atlantic coastline, or the Muslims in Singapore or Indonesia?

 

Yeah, the Good Book fails to mention a lot.
Religion is the same concept to me morality is... A social construct, fluid.
Religion, faith... They can produce very beneficial things and very detrimental things.

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Yeah, the Good Book fails to mention a lot.
Religion is the same concept to me morality is... A social construct, fluid.
Religion, faith... They can produce very beneficial things and very detrimental things.

 

Lol....
I have never had a face to face conversation with a self professing Muslim. I have never read the Koran or attended any Islamic religious service. Never been outside the US.
My fears seem logical to me. I have been pretty successful at dodging emotional manipulation...I fail totally here. Media shows me videos of Muslims decapitating journalists. I am told Muslims used a boxcutter to subdue passengers. Maybe I hate American cowards even more....
All it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing.

 

Yes...it is now ALL Muslims. Islam is soiled beyond repair at this point in the minds of those who are not Muslim...and they have done it to themselves. Between attempting to force others to tweak societies to their liking, committing acts of violence unimaginable from anyone else, expecting people to help them when they kill each other, and yelling loudly that they hate everyone else....Few still wish them well.

 

Mostly detrimental, I'd say, but I suppose that depends on one's perspective and what one values the most.

 

The worst part to me is when they hold favorable opinions of ISI* and other forms of Islamic terrorism and militarism. It's that element that sets them apart from even the worst Christian loons today. As disgusting as the Westboro cult has been, for instance, they are not physically violent. Maybe they would be if they had hundreds of years of extremist religious history and millions of adherents, but as it is, they aren't.

 

Your minds might be soiled but don't assume you speak for anyone but yourselves.

 

Something that can be transformed is not eternal. That's a fact.

I'm rationalizing God, not my faith.

The more you know the unseen, the closer you get to it. This is why atheists are blind to reality. Their god is materialism, and all they see is materialism.

From the Qur'an:

 

What is your opinion of non-Muslims? Do you advocate live and let live?
Are you a Middle-eastern Muslim?
Please feel free to ask me anything that peaks your interest.

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What do you believe about an afterlife?

 

Something that can transform is not eternal.

But let's a strike at your scenario. How does eternal energy form the universe? You can't say that it relied on something else, otherwise you'll have to explain to how that got there. Surely it too was not eternal?

Now, you claim that all eternal energy needed was itself to create the universe, you will have to explain how something that's eternal is able to transform and change so fundamentally.

Why can't atheist just admit the that the only answer that makes sense is God?

 

The God of Abraham is the Creator of everything. They are one and the same.

Since when did eternal mean "able to change and transform"?

Not silly bat all; only God, the ultimate Creator can create something from nothing.

 

a little backup here Goomba:

"e•ter•nal
adj. 1. without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing: eternal life.
2. perpetual; ceaseless; endless: eternal chatter.
3. enduring; immutable: eternal principles.
4. existing outside all relations of time; not subject to change."



"im·mu·ta·ble
adj. Not subject or susceptible to change."

 

That may very well be...perhaps you Muslims should go on believing it.

It will not matter as far as everyone else in concerned and might make the inevitable significantly easier.

Just remain silent in the face of your extremists, sit back and wait until others get tired of the whole mess you folks have become.

 

Abraham never existed. It's a later - circa 500-400 BCE - literary construct. Not an historical account. There is no evidence he ever existed.

 

It is possible for two things to happen that fit into your posts description.

#1. Reoccurences.....this would be a Genetic Reocurence of an individual that at one time was alive and now in a future state has been born with identical DNA.....but because of environmental differences the Reoccurences Genome would not be perfectly identical but close enough.

Still it is a persons experiences and environment and even chance happenings that make them into what they are along with their Genetic Disposition....thus they are a different person.

#2. Cloning.....as we are at a point now we can Clone and individual and grow and exact dupicate although again the birth of that child is a blank slate mentally.

In the future we should be able to either transfer consciousness into a Clone or it would be far easier to simply Genetically Engineer a person and change the AGING GENE as a person get's older because their cells at a certain age when splitting via Mitosis begin to degrade Genetically thus it is like making a COPY OF A COPY OF A COPY....as the older the person the more the Gene's unravel during Mitosis.

AboveAlpha

 

Well....if it was to read correctly it would state.....This is a description of the generation of our Divergent Universal State of Reality that is but one of an Infinite Number within our Baseline Reality Universal Grouping out of Infinite In number Baseline Universal Reality Groupings in a Multiversal System which although as Human's we perceive as having a beginning past, present and future do to our limited Human sensory capabilities and as of yet not Evolved enough mental capacity to perceive and understand but as Quantum Mechanics shows us our perception of Time being Linear is incorrect as Time is actually Space-Time and is CONCURRENT.

That would make a good Prelude.

AboveAlpha

 

Prelude to a sci-fi novel.

 

God of Abraham is not considered the Creator of everything. Only to those from those religions that follow that god.

 

There are some members here that really need to take a few Annex Courses.

AboveAlpha

 

Just another way of doing things. Creativity is manifest as exploration of possibilities. Anything that works well enough can persist. There are beetles that look and act like ants, spiders that look and act like ants, flies that look and act like bees/wasps, and all sorts of imposters that mimic poisonous critters. Natural selection doesn't seem like an adequate explanation for all such bizarre twists. All this is getting us off-topic.

 

Your fear has nothing to do with religion. The violence you fear comes from hate, crushing hardship, political disenfranchisement, etc.

You had to ask that person to identify their religion. There is so little difference that you can't even tell. Yet over minutia, you accuse hundreds of millions of people of being a threat to you, and declare that as a reason for hatred to guide you and your actions!

That kind of hate may come from people who espouse Christianity, but it isn't what Christianity teaches, and it isn't what an educated examination of issues in the ME reveals.

Think about that - see if you can guess where your hate actually comes from.

 

This is the same old "Humans don't know the answer, so there must be a God" argument.

It has been used over and over and over again through the centuries, with humans finding the answers that invalidate the "God did it" answer. Questions about astronomy, biology, human anatomy, physics, etc. have been used to "prove" God, only to have us find out how things actually work.

So, first of all, I do not accept that kind of argument. I know there are lots of questions for which humans have no answer. But, I see no reason to use that and only that as some sort of argument for God.

As for this universe, we know very little about what came before. But, if equivalent mass existed before the big bang, it seems reasonable that it could contract due to gravity and cause a singularity like the one of which we have evidence - ours.

Before the discovery in 1999 of the weak force repulsing objects at long distances (acting between galaxy clusters, for example) it seemed possible that our universe could contract to form another singularity.

Is there some mechanism by which energy in our universe is retained as part of a larger eternal whole? I don't know. But, suggesting that is impossible and is thus an indication of the existence of a god seems to me to be equivalent to our predecessors believing that god was required to move the sun, operate the stars as a dome with pinholes to heaven, move planetoids about the sky, etc.

Humans are human. There is a lot we don't know.

 

You are wrong.

Every single Life Form on this Planet that originated on Earth and Evolved on Earth has been DEFINITIVELY BEEN PROVEN GENETICALLY which has obtained a MATHEMATICAL BASED ANALYSIS which is tantamount to a Mathematical Genetic PROOF upon a Molecular/Atomic Level....and this Mathematical Proof has itself obtained a PROOF.

Any Scientific Theory that obtains a Mathematical Proof and then the Math itself is checked with a PROOF....as example.....a Theory obtains a Mathematical Proof and I will just use a simple equation to represent this as to not make the Math too difficult to understand....thus the Proof would amount to a much more complex in Calculus or Algorithmic based equation that could be anything from Calculus or Trig or simple Analysis or Geometry....but to make things easy to understand I will post a PROOF being for a Theory....7 + 3 = 10.

Then the Theory Math must be Mathematically PROVEN so that Proof would be in this instance....10 - 3 = 10 and 10 - 7 = 3.

Such a Mathematical Proof exists upon a much higher level for EVOLUTION AND ALSO THE MATH PROOF HAS A PROOF.

Once this has been achieved and it has....EVOLUTION changed from being a THEORY to being a FACT.

There has NEVER been a case in HUMAN HISTORY when the Math said something was so that it wasn't.

AboveAlpha

 

I'm not sure whether you are saying the insane do not live in Fantasy Worlds of their own making, or that Reality does not kill off any species which does not adapt to it.
But in either case you are wrong regardless of what evolution might do regardless.

Here is one source or two to make my point:

Adaptation, global warming and evolution - Charles Darwin ...
http://darwin200.christs.cam.ac.uk/pages/index.php?page_id=h2

Global warming is a reality, and it will have major effects on many aspects of our .... These creatures must, therefore, adapt to survive or else become extinct.



Sprinting to Extinction - Has human activity and climate change ...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...te-change-nailed-the-coffin-shut-for-Cheetahs

Nov 24, 2014 ... Sprinting to Extinction - Has human activity and climate change nailed the ... Holocene epoch or 6th mass extinction events have become a grim reality. ... daily lives are, and yet they remain remarkably adapted and resilient.".

 

Yes, the constants of Reality do not change.
And, gravity, and all of Reality's other Laws are the means by which it constructs the next frame of reality.
Reality itself does not change.
Reality, itself, unfolds again and again.

The changes are what we see as evidence of a new frame, telling us that Reality has moved forward again.