Atheists: where do you think we and the universe came from?

I guess if the physicist tom Campbell is right, and the universe is a virtual reality created by a Computer, Consciousness, that is outside of the virtual reality, then that Consciousness would even know the number of hairs on your head, and when a bird drops dead, for it created this virtual reality using information and energy. So it would know what it created.

I don't know what he would say about prayer, except if we have a small fragment of that Consciousness, then that Consciousness could alter things by prayer, since it is creating this virtual reality from moment to moment. Might have to be a a particular state of consciousness to do that. But then it could probably not contradict the rules the Consciousness chose for this virtual reality for the sake of order and coherence. For the show must go on, and it's rules were set up for order and coherence.

 

Define virtual reality. Why do you think a computer would have desired to create all this?

 

You posted this....."Jul 31 2015, 07:10 PM #641 WillReadmore
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Originally Posted by cupid dave
Observing that it takes 1 second for an object to fall from a given height evidences truthfully that the equations are correct.
These truths are what we use to build up our concept of what Reality does, and it laws.
Once again, science does not have any way of proving anything to be true. Facts in science are limited to documented observations.

The minute you apply any kind of logic (such as equations purported to describe motion) you are in the land of theory. And, for very good reason, there is no way to prove a theory to be true.

We can gain confidence in theories, though. We can duplicate experiments, check out what theories predict, etc.

This is important. One ramification is that when we consider incorporating science in decisions we make, it is not an effective strategy to wait for proof - since proof of a theory is not possible. We might wait for some additional test that might give us greater confidence, but confidence will always be less than 100%. Reply Reply With Quote Blog this Post .
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Originally Posted by Cathor
Atheists: where do you think we and the universe came from?
... Where did EVERYTHING come from? Was it always there?
If you don't believe in any God, who or what do you think set everything in motion?
A person does not need to believe that there is no god(s) to believe that the universe has a naturalistic origin.
A person needs only to believe that there is not an all-powerful universal creator god in particular.

As for the naturalistic origin of the universe, it is fundamentally simple:
Everything that is possible, is actual.
There is only the illusion of a difference between the possible and the actual,
which is due to one's own position within the infinite possibilities.
The universe is an eternal and infinitely large mathematical generator of all possibilities,
which are generated by the combination of time and the laws of physics. Foremost among freedoms are the freedom from disruptive lies, and the freedom to communicate important truths. Reply Reply With Quote Blog this Post .
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Originally Posted by Consistency
A person does not need to believe that there is no god(s) to believe that the universe has a naturalistic origin.
A person needs only to believe that there is not an all-powerful universal creator god in particular.

As for the naturalistic origin of the universe, it is fundamentally simple:
Everything that is possible, is actual.
There is only the illusion of a difference between the possible and the actual,
which is due to one's own position within the infinite possibilities.
The universe is an eternal and infinitely large mathematical generator of all possibilities,
which are generated by the combination of time and the laws of physics.

Our universe is not infinitely large and its history includes unactualized history, which proves that not everything that is possible is actual.

Our universe is a virtual reality, and a virtual reality cannot create itself.

You have left consciousness totally out of the picture, despite the double slit experiment proving that awareness alters reality. Awareness can also disable a quantum computer.

The apparent sterile functioning of space-time matter has tricked you.

What's your explanation for the universe being eternal without violating the law of entropy? You do know that the universe is not a closed system, don't you? If it's not a closed system, then maybe you have only a little picture grasp of reality. Reply Reply With Quote Blog this Post .
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Like this post Yesterday, 05:50 AM #644 AboveAlpha
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Originally Posted by Gelecski7238
Our universe is not infinitely large and its history includes unactualized history, which proves that not everything that is possible is actual.

Our universe is a virtual reality, and a virtual reality cannot create itself.

You have left consciousness totally out of the picture, despite the double slit experiment proving that awareness alters reality. Awareness can also disable a quantum computer.

The apparent sterile functioning of space-time matter has tricked you.

What's your explanation for the universe being eternal without violating the law of entropy? You do know that the universe is not a closed system, don't you? If it's not a closed system, then maybe you have only a little picture grasp of reality.
The only thing I think your missing is that because Quantum Processors work....and mear Conscious Observation by any being that is aware or conscious....thus the Observations of a Fly are just as effecting as the Observations of a Human when it comes to the act of observation locks in value and wave fuction of Quanta as they become LOCKED INTO OUR SINGLE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY the moment they are Observed by any life form that can consciously observe.

But our Universe is not a Virtual Reality.

The cause and effect occurrring in our Universe moment to moment present CHOICES to Consciously Observant Life Forms.

Now one thing is for certain and that is our Universal Reality is but ONE in an INFINITE NUMBER OF DIVERGENT ALTERNATE UNIVERSAL REALITIES and the reason why Universal Realities keep being Generated is because they must and already have as Time Human Beings perceive as LINEAR thus having a beginning, present and future then end.

But in REALITY Quantum Mechanics shows us that Time is actually SPACE-TIME and one cannot exist without the other....and that Space-Time exists at all possible time differentials existing in Divergent Universal States of our Baseline Universal reality and Grouping and within this Grouping all Physical Natural Laws are the same.

Other Baseline Universal groupings of Reality also have infinite in number Divergent Universal States but their Natural Physical Universal Laws are so different from our own as they might have different Space-Time Geometry where we could not exist within at all....or they might have systems and constructs so Alien to our Understandings we would not understand or perhaps not be able to percieve such realities.

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Originally Posted by WillReadmore
Once again, science does not have any way of proving anything to be true. Facts in science are limited to documented observations.

The minute you apply any kind of logic (such as equations purported to describe motion) you are in the land of theory. And, for very good reason, there is no way to prove a theory to be true.

We can gain confidence in theories, though. We can duplicate experiments, check out what theories predict, etc.

This is important. One ramification is that when we consider incorporating science in decisions we make, it is not an effective strategy to wait for proof - since proof of a theory is not possible. We might wait for some additional test that might give us greater confidence, but confidence will always be less than 100%.
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Facts are things which are true.

Science uses the Facts to develop theories about what the facts mean.
You don't understand Science here.

When an experiment takes place, the results are published showing a Fact which other can also see for themselves.
EVERYONE can see that Fact.
It is a Truth about what Reality does.

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Like this post Yesterday, 10:42 AM #646 cupid dave
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Originally Posted by Consistency
A person does not need to believe that there is no god(s) to believe that the universe has a naturalistic origin.
A person needs only to believe that there is not an all-powerful universal creator god in particular.

As for the naturalistic origin of the universe, it is fundamentally simple:
Everything that is possible, is actual.
There is only the illusion of a difference between the possible and the actual,
which is due to one's own position within the infinite possibilities.
The universe is an eternal and infinitely large mathematical generator of all possibilities,
which are generated by the combination of time and the laws of physics.
But in spite of what you say here,... you do believe that the ever unfolding Reality is the master and creator of the Universe and Truth is born out of it.
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Like this post Yesterday, 10:45 AM #647 cupid dave
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Originally Posted by WillReadmore

And, science does not claim to be able to identify truth.

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The only thing I think your missing is that because Quantum Processors work....and mear Conscious Observation by any being that is aware or conscious....thus the Observations of a Fly are just as effecting as the Observations of a Human when it comes to the act of observation locks in value and wave fuction of Quanta as they become LOCKED INTO OUR SINGLE DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY the moment they are Observed by any life form that can consciously observe.
Indeed, that’s worth mentioning. We know that probability distributions get narrowed down when awareness makes a sensitive aspect of the action known and no longer random. However, I don’t entirely buy it as sufficient because it doesn’t seem to account for the massive part of existence that is supposedly without witness. Individual life forms are not looking at every atomic or subatomic structure in stars, asteroids, magma, rocks, mountains, trees, etc to bring them into fixed reality."...end quote Gelecski.

OBSERVATION is not necessary for Quanta to exist....just necessary for the Wave Form Collapse that locks in Function and Value into a Conscious Entities Divergent Universal State of Reality.

I have a theory where all Infinite in number Divergent Universal States of my Reality as my Reality is different from YOUR reality which is different from a FLY's Reality....that all Divergent Universal States of Reality existing withing ONE BASELINE UNIVERSAL GROUPING....are basically overlapping one another and this could account for Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

It would also account for how a Tiny amount of Antimatter when used in a Matter/Antimatter Reaction generates a MULTIVERSAL CASCADE REACTION basically tapping into all Divergent Universal States of Reality.

Space-Time is simply the movement of any Material or Energy through Space...and as our Universal Reality is at a minimum Geometric Existance of 10-D...or 11-D and most likely 26-D....there is most likely more than just one Geometric Space-Time Dimensionality that governs Time.

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OK...the above is weird as I did not post that.

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