Atheists: where do you think we and the universe came from?

What should our role be?

 

Are you religious? If so, what is your faith? Who is your god?

 

The religious believe because they are emotionally invested in their belief, such as certain Muslims believing that women are lower life forms that they can use as they like, including stoning them to death. You, you, writer, must support that belief if you truly believe in God. Or do you just believe in your own special little god? If you are convinced that intelligent design was involved, then who designed the designer? Who created God? If you can't answer that, you should stop being so certain.

 

Why, because you suggested it?

 

How do you know what the religious believe or why they believe? Are you religious? If not then I argue that it is illogical by my measure of logic to speak for a group that you are not a part of.

 

No, there certainly are groups we should speak for even if we are not part of them. For example, our constitution speaks for minorities who would otherwise be in far worse shape.

We should care about our middle class, even if we aren't ourselves middle class.

We should care about injustice we find in the world, if for no other reason than that it will come to bight us some day - as we've seen in the Balkans, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Israel, and other places which are sources of huge injustice that clearly has affected us negatively.

etc.

And, this is also a moral issue - independent of religion.

 

Does the "etc." allow for the inclusion of the homeless, the lower class, those without a daddy sponsored college education, those in prison, those that are sick and/or otherwise invalid, those of a differing religious belief system or lack thereof?

 

And this has what to do with my response to the OP? There is almost always an exception to a rule... but a moot point as the context of my argument is in reference to religion as per the OP.

 

I don't believe in a personal God, but I make allowance for the possibility of a creator at some level of the multiverse hierarchy. Thus I am somewhat Deistic and Theosophical. I guess that disqualifies me from being a theist, but does not quite make me an atheist.

You can say nature's creativity if you prefer, or even the multiverse creator.

That seems like an unnecessary complication, as if it isn't difficult enough to contemplate the progression up to the first creator.

However, there are big honchos in the multiverse hierarchy, one at the head of each universe according to Tom Campbell, and Theosophy has similar concepts without citing a multiverse.

Purpose implies intent. Intent implies a being, a creator. We don't know if there was any purpose or intent other than to allow such things to arise as part of a grand experiment. They could even be an unintended or unanticipated byproduct. Consider the fact that there is a wide range of degrees between maleness and femaleness throughout human populations. Biochemically and genetically, few if any are 100% male or 100% female. The sex organs of both have identical origins.

 

You have the beginning of a sentence here, so I can't tell for sure what you're trying to say.

Anyway, I'm not saying that natural selection doesn't work, just saying that in some bizarre cases it's hard to fathom how such goofy things came about gradually if it must do so through favoring of advantages.

 

Whatever you call a God's Plan must be awfully rigid and extraordinarily detailed.

A plan that is more "hands off" type does not conflict with free will. The plan establishes the design parameters, physical laws, and constraints that shape the reality. Progressive evolution and free will do the rest.

 

Stop paying Welfare for more illegitimate bastards kids would be a good first step.
A second move would be a program to pay very low waged MARRIED men and women financial assistance (which is now available).
Then we need attack verbally anyone who promotes sexual behaviors overtly or by their behaviors or dress codes so the kids do not see sex as fun, and return to using marriage as the only acceptable way.
Then No Fault Divorce needs b abolished.

... or, we can wait for the Muslims to do this for us.

 

You have no clue what man could do over the next 100,000 years if he doesn't become extinct.
In the last 4000 years, we have built up seven western empires followed by ten amazing kingdoms that rose above all other nations in the Western Culture.

We watched as they became magnificent, but then fell down as soon as the Feminists managed to gain control over them.
If these stop gap adventures had not be shut down, and men had worked to find the Truth and learn more and more about Reality, we would already be a much different planet.

 

But you even deny that Reality is master over us and all life.
If you don't live in Reality, you are insane, and what you think is just madness, isn't it???

 

So you say there is no such a thing as "Truth," and "Reality" does exist for us but is a philosophical term of some sort?
hat about Science?

Does science discover the Truth and use it to build up a concept of Reality, and how Reality works???
Is Science a fair term??

 

You are a feminist, and oppose religions in general.
Islam is especially offensive because they believe force against feminism is what the world needs.

Christian are supposed to believe that Truth against illegitimacy, bastard kids, Welfare, child abuse, high violent crime rates, etc will do the job.
But they just talk and no one is listening now.

 

Yes.
The patriarch Jews did exactly what Islam is now doing.

Christianity explains that Truth can do the job and these forceful Jewish and Muslim methods will not really work.
We saw MalcolmX threaten muslim force, while King used the Truth.
King won, and so did America.

Rather than tearing down America and destroying the whole Nation as MalcolmX advised, King got the Civil Rights corrected and the nation progressed further.

 

Your views are not considered or taken seriously at all by the vast majority of the American public.

 

...Feminism rues the culture and it has as you say, made Churches ineffective in telling kids to marry if they want to be sexual.
That is why we have these social problems and the fatherless bastards who suffer and then become the criminal element.

 

Haha...
Circus freak.

 

Right,...
Feminism and Gayness rules now.
Welfare, child abuse, fatherlessness, illegitimacy, higher and higher taxes, more violent crime, and chaos is coming.
It will be either from the patriarchies of Islam, China, N. Korea, or internal rebellion by the bastards who now are matching us against the police.

 

That, what you maintain, is just an opinion. And it was manufactured by thought, using what we assume that we know.

You could lay out your argument for having that opinion, and Campbell, a physicist could lay out his. His would be more coherent, contain more logic and the implications of quantum mechanics, to make it much more believable as an opinion. So his opinion would no doubt be more coherent than what you are saying here.

So, I would say, that Consciousness is Truth, is Love, is the Creator. It exists outside of time, therefore is timeless as Truth is timeless.

The reality, this VR has fragment of the Truth inside it, which is consciousness as experienced by brains. Built on top of that Consciousness is what we generally call consciousness, which is a very limited consciousness, limited by what is held in memory, conscious and unconscious memory. So ordinary daily consciousness involves what the senses are relating to the brain, but its activity is an activity consumed with the incessant movement of thought. This thought is the response of memory as the brain, the organism interacts with its environment. So with incessant thought, we are responding to the present moment using the past, the past being what is held in memory, from the past. So mentally we are looking at each new moment with eyes painted over with the past. The known. This is our daily life, and that isn't Truth. It is "what is", the description of what our ego consciousness is, which is a recording device, and that great accumulation of memory we sense is the "me". But we do not see the "me" as just an accumulation of past experience, we see the "me" as being different, separate, independent of that memory. But we are just that memory, and that is all we are. We are the memory of the brain recording past experience. But we sense we are separate from those memories. This is the consciousness that is ordinary consciousness, and there is no truth in that at all.

Truth IS, when thought is not moving, when the memory is not creating consciousness. So, the consciousness that is present, when thought is silent, negating ego consciousness, that is Truth, the fragment of big C Consciosuness that is the Creator of this VR, Campbell uses ideas and implications from quantum mechanics to make this opinion acceptable and believable. Much more so than a fundamentalist view of this thing call God, or Truth.

 

We have no reports from the previous societies when their "end times"came.

The feminists and the Gays did not see that the end did come, as I warn here.
That is because this idea was always turned aside until the event actually happened.
So, the patriarchs never explained I was correct, because they killed or destroyed us all.

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I'm a physicist too.

 

But they do not say that Reality is Allah, and His son is Truth.

This is the Trinity which the Bible and the OT explain for us.
Memorize or write down the Koran which is wrong, here, and it makes little difference that is what Mohammed taught.

 

An all knowing, all powerful god has already determined when peeps and societies will be snuffed. Not anything anybody can do about that, huh?