Couple found guilty of having sex on a Florida beach, faces up to 15 years in prison

Couple found guilty of having sex on a Florida beach, faces up to 15 years in prisonhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news...orida-beach/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na

It is just mind bendingly stupid. What is wrong with these people and what is happening to justice in this country ?

1) Having sex in public has always been a ticket-able offence. 15 years ? What happened to the Rule of Law .. That the punishment should fit the crime.

2) Register as a "sex offender" What ?? The Sex offender registry is for people who are deemed a threat to others from a sexual standpoint ... Pedophiles , Rapists and so on.

How on earth does either of these folks fit into that category ?

This will obviously not make it very far up the judicial ladder but, how can the prosecutor not be fired immediately ?

Should there not be a .... "Too stupid to keep your job clause" for prosecutors ? Talk about a waste of tax dollars.

 

In my opinion, the couple should not be sent to prison.

 

uhhh are you completely missing this is "up to" 15 years... we have murderers who face "up to" life in prison, and get like a couple years...

I have no doubt they will likely not receive any prison time, and if they did would be given a sentence that will be stayed by the judge... so they literally serve no time...

they'll get a fine, some community service, and time served...

lets not over react because there is a potential for something...

P.S. although the reason why the guy is facing up to 15 years, is because he's still on probation for his drug charges... are you completely missing that point as well? they are recommending a 60 day sentence for the woman, which like I said, would most likely get stayed since they are from out of town, they'll just get a big fine...

 

From your article:

Was this crucial detail left out as a result of an oversight?

 

And yet we see violent criminals being released on parole or bail because there is no place to put them. It makes no sense. Get caught with marijuana in SD and face up to 20 years in prison. The laws are all over the place. I have mentioned this half a dozen times on this site but watching a "first 48" episode about a guy who murderers somebody...serves 10 years...released on parole...2 weeks later kills somebody else...serves 8 years....released on parole....kills someone else(this woman actually gave him a place to live to be paroled to).....

There is no consistency or priority in regards to sentencing. Get caught with some weed...20 years...murder twice and serve a total of 18 years. It makes no sense.

 

I agree. Taxpayers shouldn't have to feed and house these 2 idiots. Save the cells for the true criminals.......

Strap a bracelet on their ankles and send them home.

A sentence like this is ludicrous and you'd think there would be a judge to recognize this.... but probably not,.

 

Ok, that makes a lot more sense. I read 'up to', then when posting I forgot about it....lol. That does make a diff in sentence.....

Hope the horny buggers learned a lesson.

 

I made the proper points = "THE RULE OF LAW" and so on.

What part of the point of "The Punishment should fit the Crime" do you not understand ?

There is no such thing as "UP to 15 years" that is justifiable for the crime committed.

What part of the point that the " Sex Offender Registry" is supposed to be "ONLY" for offenders that pose a threat of physical sexual violence to others .... do you not understand ?

Someone for sure is missing the point here ... and it's not me.

 

Not at all .. The woman is to be put on a "sex offender registry". This is insane for the reasons I gave in my previous post.

That the fellow would get 15 years is insane for reasons given in my previous post.

You have zero ability to refute my stated rational so you focus on the inane.

 

Why would we strap bracelets on people who have not posed a threat of harm to anyone ? Just fine them and be done with it.

Punishment is supposed to fit the crime in this country. Should we start throwing people in Jail for 10 years for parking tickets as well ?

What about the "sex offender registry" ... This is so fcked up it is not even funny.

Heads should roll. That's what should happen.

 

Your OP suggests that having sex on a beach is what caused the 15 year sentence. It was actually caused by the guy having a criminal record. The "couple" doesn't face 15 years, only one of the two does. The other is looking at 60 days, which I'm sure you will agree, is drastically different than 15 years.

 

Who cares if the guy has a criminal record ? 15 years is insane for such an offense. Where is your justification ... ?

Further even if you were to be able to justify the 15 years for the dude ... where is your justification for putting the woman into the "sex offender registry".

This is mindless insanity any way you slice it or dice it.

 

I agree...fine for both. Now...if they don't pay the fine lock them up and make them pick up trash on the side of the road.

 

Having a criminal record is an important consideration during the sentencing portion of a trial. Someone with a criminal history will almost always get sentenced to a longer time in jail/prison than someone without a criminal history.

I don't know all the details of the case. Perhaps there were children around? Having sex in public is against the law, just like exposing yourself in front of a crowd is against the law. Certain crimes have certain penalties. I'm sure you can petition for a law change. There's channels for that.

 

Relativism...

Relativism axiomatically rejects objectivity. Objectivity is essential to discerning truth. Truth is essential to trust.

Truth and Trust are essential to forming a soundly reasoned morality.

A soundly reasoned morality is essential to defining justice... thus to the service of justice.

Left-think rests entirely in Relativism... and while all jurists are not Leftists, the relativist notions of the left have inculcated the justice system, thus its unenviable effects have perverted the system named for the service of justice.



1) Having sex in public has always been a ticket-able offence. 15 years ? What happened to the Rule of Law .. That the punishment should fit the crime.

2) Register as a "sex offender" What ?? The Sex offender registry is for people who are deemed a threat to others from a sexual standpoint ... Pedophiles , Rapists and so on.

How on earth does either of these folks fit into that category ?

This will obviously not make it very far up the judicial ladder but, how can the prosecutor not be fired immediately ?

Should there not be a .... "Too stupid to keep your job clause" for prosecutors ? Talk about a waste of tax dollars.[/QUOTE]

 

I'm not missing any point... a lot of crimes have very stiff sentences, just because you don't like them, does not mean there at one point would be a valid reason for them... do you think the 4 year olds and all the other children who were witnessing this event, should just be excused? do you think 60 days of jail is unreasonable? and I'm not even sure I am worried about them being registered sex offenders... they had sex on a public beach, with DOZENS of children around them watching... maybe you think its a stretch of the sex offender registry, but do you think its normal behavior for people to have sex in front of children? do you support people having sex in front of children?

so what do you think is the perfect punishment for this?

did you even go watch the video... this wasn't just hugging and kissing, or groping... it was full on sex with kids walking past them and adults all around them... it was a pure exhibition on a public beach with families all around them... it was a horrific lapse of judgement that should have severe penalties... I mean, unless, you're okay with people having sex in front of kids? are you okay with that? do you realize down there, its a huge problem for them, and people are constantly doing it? on family beaches? maybe put yourselves in the shoes of the locals who live with vacationers coming to THEIR community and flooding THEIR beaches and having sex in front of THEIR kids...

do you want people having sex in front of your kids?

what punishment would you want for people having sex in front of your kids for 5-10min?

you tell me what should happen to people like that in society who specifically went to a non-tourist beach that marked for FAMILIES... not couples having sex on it...

 

They did have sex on a public beach, so 6 months wearing an ankle bracelet as a harsh reminder to behave themselves should do the trick.

And I do agree w/you about the nat'l sex offender registry. The thing should be scraped and get someone who has common sense and common decency to re-write it. It makes my teeth rattle every time I read/hear about a young man, 18+ yrs old who had consensual sex w/his under 18 yr old g/f and he ends up w/his name on that list. Talk about injustice. I wish someone in authority would wake up to that fact. A lot of decent, young mens lives have been destroyed b/c of it.

And no, this couple shouldn't have their names on that list. What they did was consensual....

 

There was no case as the witnesses all claimed they didn't actually see the couple having sex, but speculated they were - so the prosecutor claimed they were at least "simulating sex," which is nothing. Most people dancing could be convicted of "simulating sex." The video does not show them actually having sex and the witnesses said they looked like they were having sex.

But this is Florida. Everything you do or even look like you might be doing in Florida is a felony.

 

What should the punishment be for having sex in public in front of a 2 and 4 year old?


"Two women testified Friday morning that they witnessed a couple having sex in public on Bradenton Beach when a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old were present."

"the then 3-year-old child started looking over at the couple, who were on a blanket nearby, and asked, "What are they doing?"

Sure, tell the 3 year old "just simulating sex honey, don't worry about it".

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article20022210.html#storylink=cpy

 

I rather like the kink, how'd they get caught in the first place? Animals do the deed in the nude, we humans aren't that much different. We put a roof over our heads called a house lol.

The huge problem here is with the Sex offender registry being used this way. This girl would be severely hindered and as a result suffering from severe unemployment. In a country with an unemployment problem, we shouldn't make it worse because a girl screwed once outside. That's not only stupid, that's inane.

This country likes to act holier than thou when it's not, and it's pitiful act also ends up ruining lives. I'm not the only American who has shook and nodded his head at this country, as much as I love it.

 

I’ve done it on a grassy knoll overlooking a fjord, missionary and 69, and out in the open in a public park, several times, I’ve even had a soccer mom catch me getting head from a chick in a parking lot, just as I popped too, but sand, are you kidding, who wants to do even “sexual simulation” in the sand?

But then again I am wanted by Loretta Lynch mob for hate speech against the false prophet MoHamMad.

A fifteen year Darwin award is too lenient for some crimes…Sand! In Atlanta blacks can get 18 months for execution murder of bending a girl over and shooting her in the back of the nappy head type thing, so this is just totally disproportionate.

"We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [those that kill sand frackers]." (Obama)

What is next, sex in pools without a burka?

 

this is a pretty old story. It seems they have already been convicted.

She got off with a slap on the wrist, he got jail time and registered sex list. I think.... I need to try to look it up.


What the article is failing to mention is they were doing this in the presence of kids and they weren't being discreet at all about any of it. Either way... 40 and 20? lol.... get it man..... just next time, get it in the bedroom, not in public.



I was cruising the strip at 20 yo (a LONG TIME AGO) and dvd players in cars were becoming a thing. People were having monitors installed in their sun visors... etc. Either way, one genius put a porno in his car dvd player and then turned the volume up on his system, and turned the visors out so those walking could see and hear, what he had playing. Everything was pretty funny in the sense that it was simply an attention getting attempt. But he got the attention of a cop who pulled him over. The cop was lamblasting him about public display of sexual content and if he could have seen a child in the area (but it was about midnight at the time, so not likely) he would arrest him on a felony which would force him to register on the sex list.

We drove on, and never saw the end result of the citation, but the guy driving was scared pretty bad.....

 

"April Champ, grandmother of the children said it looked as if Caballero and Alvarez were having sex, although she did not see their genitals or penetration". Reliable witness?

 

It's stupid but they wont get any prison or jail time...

If you're going to do that then do it on a private beach - don't be stupid...

Cops these days are massive retards....

If I was a cop I would be like "knock it off" lol.... I'm sure that would be the end of it...

Of course I'm a reasonable person and the last thing our judicial system wants is reasonable people to be on the streets "enforcing" laws - that would be bad for revenue - no they want the people that were bullied as teenagers because they're the ones that will bring in the most revenue because they enjoy their power and will write tickets and arrest people out of spite...

 

Why? I know someone that had to register as a sex offender for drawing a picture of a stick figure with boobs and leaving it in a locker with his name on it.

Different levels of sex offender, and nudity around minors will cause an issue.

Idk if there were children around, do you?