In what way(s) are you better than Jesus (if any)?

If this is truly how you feel, maybe you should repent and look to God. If such condemnation is sick and disgusting, why would you want it to happen to you?

While you talk and feel this way about Jesus, he absolutely loves you. His love for you is unconditional, and he has a mansion in heaven for you. So easy to be deceived by the master of lies, your ideology can only be thereof.

 

Of course his love is NOT UNconditional! If I happen to be decent, hard-working, honest, etc. (just say), and happen to think differently than him (people think differently all the time - democrats vs. republicans, etc.) then he'll gladly see that I get tortured in his own personal Auschwitz (his barbaric "lake of fire"). Regarding this immoral scheme: if he was moral he'd repent.....but he's not moral enough to do that.
Jesus.....it's time to repent.

 

Actually, no, but HORUS does. Or, uh, maybe it's Zeus....or Thor....or Allah (if I believe that a 7th century slave-owning pedophile is the best role model of all time), or maybe Nanook, or Santa, or Odin, or Krishna, or David Koresh, etc., etc. etc. There are many TENS OF THOUSANDS of claimed prophets/gods, and you're not smart enough to pick the one true one....and that's because they all just made that stuff up.

See, they are ALL complete incompetents, as they are such failures that, despite their claimed DIVINITY, they can't differentiate themselves from the other "prophets/gods" who would obviously not be the one true prophet/god, of course. I just don't look like a fool in believing them - unlike other people.

 

Good luck with the lake of fire.

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Arrogant. Jesus or God does not condemn you to the lake of fire. You do. The choice is yours. Good luck.

 

Yes, I'll need it. Say, if Christians were as moral as Modern Secular Humanists, then they'd pray to Jesus to change his evil ways and snap his all-powerful fingers to inform all of humanity that he's repented - that he's changed his ways to eliminate the barbaric and unfair "lake of fire", and admitted that he was immoral for doing so.
But I won't hold my breath waiting for Christians to do the right thing (after all, they still give their impressionable young children a book that approves of KILLING them if they just happen to turn our gay - like god made them, like billions of people have turned out to be throughout history.)

 

The mafia ALSO does not condemn me to "swimming with the fishes". I do. The choice (pay their "protection money" or not) is mine.

See how that works? Jesus is no better than the mafia. At least the mafia can PROVE that they are real, however - so the mafia is one step above Jesus in that regard.

 

jrr77, can you please pray to Jesus today for him to change his system to allow moral people who believe in science (and not talking snakes) to not suffer in a "lake of fire", but to be admitted to his "heaven"? I'd really appreciate that, since I'm allegedly heading to said lake. Thanks, bro.

 

Don't know for sure, but I suspect I have a better curveball than he does.

 

It is not me that keeps you from damnation. It is Jesus and only Jesus. If you have any excuses, take it up with him.

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More excuses, again good luck.

 

Look here bud, God has a kingdom of no evil whatsoever. For him to keep it that way, he cannot allow it to come in under any circumstances. For your evil (sins) to vanish or be forgiven, can only be done through Jesus (God's son). In a world where people are willing to give up their liberties for the false narrative of safety and protection. It would seem we seek a country that is perfect, why then is God's questioned? For his kingdom is perfect.

 

To a person (I'm not talking about you, bud) who hates Jews, yes, "his kingdom is perfect" (no modern Jews in "heaven").
To a person who hates Hindus, yes, "his kingdom is perfect" (no Hindus in "heaven".)
To a person who hates gays, yes, "his kingdom is perfect" (no gays in "heaven".)

So yes, to an intolerant person, who is bigoted, "his kingdom is perfect."

 

I hate to say it, but I'll argue that I'm more moral than you are (well, on this one issue, since I'm certainly not perfect), because you said above that you won't pray to Jesus to change his ways to let me into heaven (assuming I'm moral), but *I* of course would, if I had an all-powerful invisible friend like Jesus, pray to him to let you into "heaven". I appear to care about you more than you care about me. I can be a good role model for you in this case.
So one way for you to wake up tomorrow and feel that you've increased your level of morality (again, I'm not perfect myself) is for you to re-consider, and think about praying to Jesus to change his ways and let me into "heaven".

When two people are at loggerheads (Jesus, and me), the one who should change his mind is the one who advocates exclusion, and not the person who advocates inclusion. I have a more inclusive belief system than the exclusive Jesus does. If Jesus could be more tolerant, inclusive, and loving, that would be great.

Have a great night.

 

Exactly.....he refuses to provide a court-room level of evidence for the "heaven/hell" claim of the bible. The ball is in his court.

 

Are you saying Jesus must answer to you. Wow talk about arrogance, boasting, and conceited.

God is love. Can you, or have you, ever had someone able to prove their love to you, or you to them. It's impossible, you can't prove love. All a person can do is trust. If God revealed himself to you, you would only accept him out of fear. Rather than love.

 

You are allowed to choose your side. In this case you choose lucipher. It is not Jesus that makes your choices, rather you have free will. Free will cannot not be touched by satan or God. Well I'm sure God could he just doesn't. Jesus and God is love. To keep love separate from evil, one must choose. You prefer to choose evil, because the law's to keep them separate, don't comply with your ideology.

 

Your right, no adulterer is allowed in heaven. One must ask for forgiveness, and walk away from the sin. While other sins will arrive, one must acknowledge them, and ask for forgiveness. Ask Jesus to keep evil away, that old serpent, and Jesus will. I will not lie, to walk in the law's of God is hard, and for us, improbable. However the longer a person can do it, the less satan will tempt them. For satan knows you, and will only tempt with sins he knows you will do. If one will not kill, satan will not tempt you with killing, because he knows you will not.

To teach people that God does not exist, is one of the worst things a person can do. So if you believe that God does not exist, I would suggest you keep it quite. To get one person to agree with you, is to steal their soul. To be fair, if you was to turn a person to God, an abundance of your sins, are forgiven.

 

I can't believe something just because I want to. You really that good at lying to yourself?

 

Let me tell you who is lying. Do you believe that the dollar bill has value? The only reason it does, is because we believe it does. Therefore us wanting to believe it, makes it so. It has no value, it is nothing more than a piece of paper with ink on it. You spend it on a t.v. Now you actually have something of value. For the television can bring you news from around the world, and that's pretty valuable.

 

He does not love - Gandhi (a non-christian) is going to be brutally tortured (according to the Bible) worse than Hitler ever even dreamed of torturing his worse enemy.....he hates. God is hatred.

"Trust"? Yes, I trust science, reason, and critical thinking....all of which say steer away from an invisible zombie from Nazareth who was cool with his "dad" committing genocide (virtually all innocent animals included!) in his horrific "flood". Jesus was immoral, as he never condemned the two worst genocides in world history (25 million humans estimated in that "flood" is worse than even Hitler's 6 million, and virtually all animals which would total in the billions conservatively), when it was allegedly his own "father", no less. I guess it's true what they say, "the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree".

 

Since you apparently have a direct connection to Jesus, can you please ask Jesus to get rid of the Devil, since Jesus is apparently good at keeping evil away. Being all-powerful, all he'll have to do is snap his all-powerful fingers, so this would not be a problem for Jesus. Thanks.

 

Not "answer to me", but to just care for me enough that he'll provide court-room level of evidence for his existence/divinity, and then I'll decide for myself. Seems like a reasonable request. I myself would, because I care for people, provide that level of evidence - but Jesus only cares about Christians, and not about all the other 70 billion people (the estimated number of non-Christians who have ever lived.) I care about the 70 billion more than Jesus does....far more, so he's not as moral as you think he is.

 

Jesus/god seem pretty evil, then.
So the penalty for putting one's "thingy" where it's not supposed to go - according to people who lived about 2000 years ago, is to be tortured, then tortured some more, and tortured even more (forever)?....clearly this "god" doesn't understand proportional punishment. A 10 year-old understands proportional punishment, but Jesus and his sick dad clearly, CLEARLY, do not.

They actually sound less like "gods", and more like the invisible friends of ancient barbarians who were so stupid as to how the world works that they didn't even know where the sun went at night.

 

The Italian Mafia has used tactics like that ("pay us protection money or we'll hurt you", as well as the Nazareth Mafia ("believe in me or I'll hurt you".) Jesus/Christianity are basically as moral as the Italian Mafia was.

 

Give us the courtroom-level of scientific evidence that this "soul" (a part of a person that magically survives death) even exists - and that an ancient slave-approving book knows exactly what happens to said entity after death!

 

Talking invisible dead guys are not real....unless you believe the TV show "The Walking Dead" is a documentary and not fiction.