What positive things can you say about President Obama?

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  1. thinkitout

    thinkitout Well-Known Member

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    My 3rd link will explain your first; however, it appears that partisan politics were appreciably less pronounced during the Bush administration, doesn't it?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/plame/Plame_KeyPlayers.html

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2005/06...-1999-bush-craved-opportunity-to-attack-iraq/

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/leadup-iraq-war-timeline
     
  2. Uber Lib

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    bs, BushCo knew there was no cause, but they had an agenda and you know it
     
  3. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Propaganda at it finest, thanks for the laugh.

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    Prove it please. Only real news outlets, no left wing kook blogs please.
     
  4. thinkitout

    thinkitout Well-Known Member

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    All news sources are biased, including yours, but that does not mean all reported information is untrue. However, thank you for admitting that my "propaganda" was high quality.

    Are you denying the existence of the Valerie Plame revenge incident, which resulted in criminal prosecution and prison terms for high-level White House staff, during which the President himself was seriously considered for indictment? Do you dispute the assertions of members of Bush's administration that he frequently expressed his desire to invade Iraq before 9/11 and pressured his staff to come up with reasons? Can you figure out Joe Wilson's motivation for revealing that Bush promulgated false information about WMD in order to justify the war?

    This discussion should not be totally consumed with finding fault and attaching blame. We know from experience that our next President most certainly WILL make mistakes. My question is: Should we risk ANY of these mistakes being due to inexperience during "on-the-job training"?
     
  5. garyd

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    Got proof? Cause this has already been done to death and nothing has been found.

    Let's see positive thing we can say about Obama??? Let's see less stupid than John Kerry, less corrupt than Hillary Clinton, can read a teleprompter. Yep that's about it.
     
  6. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also.... he has set the stage for either his older brother or himself to play a significant role in the greatest economic recovery that the nation of Israel has ever had.......(at least that is my theory anyway)??!!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=442749&p=1065810241#post1065810241
    Israelis Overwhelmingly Rank Obama ‘Worst President for Israel in The Last 30 Years’

     
  7. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes..... that is certainly logical!

    It seems then that it may be worthwhile to discuss ways to cause a major economic boom to occur worldwide because there certainly seems to be a direct link with an increase in real wages...... especially for women........ and a decrease in the birth rate?!
     
  8. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I admit that I may well be incorrect and under informed but my impression so far.......... is that the military capability of Iraq ...... especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union......... would not be under estimated by any responsible President of the USA or his administration.

    After the USSR fell apart...... Russian scientists with pretty amazing military technology......... became available to the highest bidders......... .and Saddam would obviously be interested in what they had to offer!
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    The investigations proved otherwise and Clinton specifically discounted such nonsense in her declaring her support for the war.

    And those Democrats are the same Democrats who voted to make it the OFFICIAL POLICY of the USA to remove Saddam from power and that is an act of war in and of itself.
     
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    They INHERITED the official policy of the United States government that Saddam should be removed from office. That he was a threat and would always be a threat until his removal.

    It didn't originate with the Bush administration.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    What on earth are you talking about IT WAS PASSED.........it is IN EFFECT.

    What has she said needs to be fixed and how does she propose to fix it and why hasn't the owner of it DONE SO ALREADY? When is Obama going to fix it?

    Just today Aetna is announcing it will most likely be pulling out next year because THEY ARE LOSING BILLIONS writing the policies under the exchanges and it is no sustainable.

    Aetna CEO Has `Serious Concerns' About Obamacare Sustainability
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rious-concerns-about-obamacare-sustainability

    The ball is strictly in Obama's court to fix HIS PROGRAM.
     
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    The only nice thing is he apparently dresses himself.
     
  13. thinkitout

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    We were discussing Hillary's unsuccessful bid at medical reform during her husband's administration.



    Obama is kept busy trying to save the GOOD parts of the program that are necessary to make it work, which are being sabotaged by conservatives, as they promised that they would do. I am hoping, as I am sure Obama is, that Hillary will fare better with the resistance. Pulling ALL funding out of the program certainly places a greater load on insurees AND the corporate sector.
     
  14. thinkitout

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    Removing the moral constraints on birth control and OPEN dialogue by both teachers and parents with teens concerning the long-reaching implications of irresponsible sex would be a good start.

    Sex should be delegated a higher degree of respect. Casual attitudes towards it reflect lack of consideration for the soon-to-be victims of their indifference.

    To avoid being TOTALLY off topic, I think Obama s a good family man.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    I'm talking about it wasn't a deception, we found his cache's of the prosrcribed materials which he would have used to restock his WMD arsenals within a matter of weeks, chemicals that could have been used in their current state for a chemical attack and the rockets and shells to use to do so.

    And if there is something in a link you think supports your case then copy and paste it into your post.

    No you said Americans died trying to find his WMD, prove it.
     
  16. Bluesguy

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    And the AMA did not oppose and in fact said it was inevitible and there was a Democrat controlled congress, they wouldn't even let it out of committee it was so screwed up and not well thought out.


    Where is he trying to do that? It needs to be FIXED to be SAVED, and he won't even tell the public what is wrong and even needs to be fixed or saved. He has said and done NOTHING.

    Since he offers nothing there is nothing to resist.

    Obamacare is placing that greater load on those insured and the corporate sector. Premium increase have been huge and will only get bigger, deductibles are huge and will only get bigger and the companies will not continue to lose money.
     
  17. Uber Lib

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    Obama has paved the way for lefty rule for ages, he done good
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    "Moral constraints" are not lessening or opposing birth control with just a very narrow exeception, die-hard catholics and those who oppose abortion pills as birth control, yet all is freely available to anyone who wants it.

    That being said yes we need to get back to the morality of sexual behavior itself and especially the results that too often occur. Not just the babies that get killed in abortions but the children born into single parenthood. We need to learn that shame can be a powerful tool when it comes to immorality and we need to start using it.
     
  19. thinkitout

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    WMD's were the reason for the war. HOW CAN YOU DISSOCIATE THE SEARCH FROM THE WAR? IT WAS A SEARCH AND DESTROY MISSION!!

    As far as the deception:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/plame/Plame_KeyPlayers.html

    https://consortiumnews.com/2012/04/26/bush-did-lie-about-iraq/
     
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    One of the most important things he accomplished in his time as Prez was by showing conservatives true colors. Showed the youth and future generations just how destructive conservatives can be and how they will stop at nothing to prevent progress. Really was a bad 8 years for Republicans. Almost a level of treason.
     
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    We FINALLY agree on something, but I think that exposing the myth of "sexual freedom" and arguing that responsible behavior is far more liberating is more effective than using shame. Sex is a God-given gift that should not be associated with shame; however, we should respect it and take care not to abuse it.
     
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    He had the stones to order the raid on Osama.
     
  23. WillReadmore

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    Congress is going to shame us into compliance with some religious world view you might hold?

    The US Congress??

    Beyond that, it's not the job of the government to crawl into bed with us and decide whether we're doing it right.
     
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    Best one yet. LOL He did no such thing.
     
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    So who made the call?
     

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