Cummings; classified emails found on personal accounts of Rice & Powell OOPS!

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Which or course disqualifies Hillary.
     
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    Of course. Which does not mean she could not easily be elected.
     
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    So Far I have never seen any evidence that she fed him confidential information. Hopefully you can provide the evidence from a reputable source.
     
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    Actually still waiting for your proof that Clinton released any Information that was classified at the time she " released " it. Or are you just confused about timelines and the difference between having the info on a server and sending it to someone.

    Oh, and just posting a link to an opinion piece does not constitute proof.
     
  5. RichT2705

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    No clue, not even worrying about it as that time has passed and I'm concerned with the present, and neither of them are currently running for President.
     
  6. Ddyad

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    IOW, you have no evidence at all that the critics of HRC's behavior are selective in their concern over criminal behavior of high level officials. FYI, I favor grand jury investigations of all allegations of crimes committed by politicians. I would be surprised if anyone here opposes that approach - beyond a few current HRC supporters.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    It doesn't matter if it was confidential although copies have been posted showing she was feeding him information concerning our official communications with foreign leaders, that is classified, the fact remains the PRESIDENT order her NOT to include him in our national affairs and to use ONLY government official email, she violated BOTH those orders.

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    And how well is she doing in NH? How well did she do in Iowa? And how could she serve as President without the proper security clearances?
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Her communications with foreign leaders is confidential at the time she speaks it. We also know she received and transmitted emails that contained Top Secret information.......do keep up.

    But all that has to happen for it to be a crime is for such information to be stored outside a SCIF, be it as electronic data on a computer or a notebook such as Petraeus's notebook which BTW was not marked classified. It's the information that is classified, not the notebook, not the email.
     
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    Then prosecute them as well. I'm a Republican, but if the Republican SoS's did anything unethical like Hillary did, they need to be prosecuted as well. This is a serious matter. Petraeus got in trouble for allowing somebody with Secret Clearance to see his Top Secret notes. That is not nearly the crime that Hillary did.
     
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    Let's hear from the lead prosecutor in the Petraeuas case:

    Petraeus prosecutor: Clinton committed no crime

    He knowingly mishandling classified information, which is not the case with Clinton -

    "As part of the plea agreement, Mr. Petraeus admitted that he gave his lover, Paula Broadwell, who was writing a biography about him, black notebooks that contained sensitive information about official meetings, war strategy and intelligence capabilities, as well as the names of covert officers.

    According to court documents, he discussed the black books during an interview that Ms. Broadwell taped with Mr. Petraeus while she was working on the biography, telling her, “They are highly classified, some of them.”

    Three weeks later, he gave her the notebooks."
     
  11. AFM

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    This in the Daily Kos (of all places) back in August of '15 summarizes the laws (felonies) broken by Hillary's private server. The FBI has ~ 150 agents assigned to the criminal investigation. Clearly she should be indicted but if the FBI delivers a criminal referral to the DOJ, will they proceed with a Grand Jury ?? If the do or not Hillary will damaged by the referral.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...e-federal-laws-violated-by-the-private-server
     
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    And was skewed by this :

    "If you need 3,000 words... ...to make your "prima facie" case, then you don't have much of a case.

    This is the very WORST thing that you can say:

    Hillary Clinton might have unknowingly and accidentally received classified information which was NOT marked as classified, and may NOT have been classified at the time it was received.

    Because this unmarked classified information was received on a private server, there is a REMOTE possibility that this unmarked classified information COULD have fallen into the wrong hands.

    So the worst thing she might have done is accidentally leak some classified information.
    In fact, you can't even really say that...because she only would have RECEIVED the information. The person who accidentally leaked it is the person who SENT it. Saying that Hillary is at fault for something like that is like saying that I should be prosecuted as a cyber terrorist because I received an email with a virus in my Spam box.

    If you scour an email server with 20,000 emails, and the number of emails that you find that pose some security risk is in the single digits, that's actually a security record to be PROUD of. A security breach rate of LESS than .05 %.

    So that's it. There's an outside chance that less than .05% of the emails received by the Secretary of State might have been leaked, IF some clever hacker had managed to break into her private server and find a few UNMARKED classified emails out of 20,000, or in the event that Secret Foreign Ninja Agents managed to break into Hillary's basement and steal her computer.

    The diarist sounds like the grandpa in Peter and the Wolf. "What if Peter hadn't caught the wolf? What then?"

    In every administration, leaks happen. For such a large organization that processes so much information, it is inevitable. If it were justifiable to prosecute every accidental leak of information, then every living American President would be in prison right now, along with many of their cabinet members.

    And as for the diarist's comment:
    "If this were about a more mere Departmental policy violation, we'd never have heard about it."

    There were probably MANY people in the State Department and the White House who knew about Hillary's private server for the FOUR YEARS she was Secretary of State, and yet no one spoke up and said "Excuse me, but this is an OBVIOUS prima facie violation of the law", just like no one spoke up n the previous years when previous Secretaries of State did the SAME thing. So the real truth is: if Clinton were not running for President, and there were no powerful interests pushing for a fishing expedition to bring her down, THEN we'd never have heard about it, because there's NOTHING to hear about.

    Nobody but Grandpa cared about what mightt have happened if Peter didn't catch the wolf. Until Peter decided to run for President. (Then Peter was subjected to a well-orchestrated smear campaign, and the pundits became obsessed with the issue of why Peter caught the wolf with his own, private rope, instead of a more secure, government-issued rope....)"
     
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    It is still early. If she is elected President she can give herself any clearance she likes - and stop any active DOJ investigation.

    Didn't Mel Brooks say "It's good to be the President!"? ;-)
     
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    Skewed ?? The level of detail is damning to Hillary and it explains the reason for the ~ 150 FBI agents working on the case as well. Is the fact that there are ~ 150 agents assigned evidence that they don't have much of a case ??
     
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    Skewered.

    Typo, dude.

    And the FBI does not provide details of the case, or how many agents. The number from the CEC crowd keeps upping it though. lol As if they know.

    We gots lots and lots of FBI agents working on it. PROOF! she committed a crime.


    You guys are really are a hoot to watch as you get swirled up by your handlers.
     
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    I trust the reporting of the "terror pixie" and the many legal experts. The issue is the private server attached to the world wide web. The emails are nails in the coffin. But then there is the issue of corruption involving the Clinton Foundation and of course the timing and content of the 30.000 deleted emails.
     
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    Top Clinton Aides Abedin and Sullivan Sent Classified Info on Personal Email Accounts, Too .....

    Today, Judicial Watch is out with a report showing not only did top Clinton aides Huma Abedine and Jake Sullivan also use unsecured, personal email accounts to communication with Clinton during her time at the State Department, but they received classified information from her on those accounts.

    Judicial Watch today released nearly 70 pages of State Department records that show that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her top aides, Deputy Chiefs of Staff Huma Abedin and Jake Sullivan, received and sent classified information on their non-state.gov email accounts. The documents, also available on the State Department website, were obtained in response to a court order from a May 5, 2015, lawsuit filed against the State Department (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:15-cv-00684)) after it failed to respond to a March 18 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

    The new documents show that Hillary Clinton used the clintonemail.com system to ask Huma Abedin (also on a non-state.gov email account) to print two March 2011 emails, which were sent from former British Prime Minister Tony Blair (using the moniker “aclb”) to Jake Sullivan on Sullivan’s non-state.gov email account. The Obama State Department redacted the Blair emails under Exemption (b)(1) which allows the withholding of classified material. The material is marked as being classified as “Foreign government information” and “foreign relations or foreign activities of the US, including confidential sources.”

    The newly released Abedin emails include a lengthy exchange giving precise details of Clinton’s schedule using unsecured government emails. The email from Lona J. Valmoro, former Special Assistant to Secretary of State Clinton, to Abedin and Clinton reveals exact times (including driving times) and locations of all appointments throughout the day. Another itinerary email provides details about a meeting at the United Nations in New York at 3:00 on Tuesday, January 31, 2012, with the precise disclosure, “that would mean wheels up from Andrews at approximately 12:00pm/12:15pm.”

    Yesterday the FBI officially confirmed what we already knew: Hillary Clinton is under criminal investigation for a number of reasons. One of them is due to her use of a private email server to store and share classified information. Her closest aides may soon be under FBI criminal investigation as well, if they aren't already. .....snip~

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...-info-on-personal-email-accounts-too-n2116975
     
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    So to put it simply, you have zero, zip, nada, evidence.
     
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    So the classified info was Clinton's schedule. Available to the press and everone on her staff. You have to be kidding that this is confidential.

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    Uh, do you actually know of a server that sn't connected to the world wide web? I think they used to be called carrier pigeons.
     
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    Still waiting patiently for you to provide any actual proof. But your opinion is welcome as an opinion.

    Oh, and just for a laugh how can her communications with a foreign leader be confidential since one must assume the foreign leader actually recieved the communication and could transmit it to anyone since they are not bound by our security rules.
     
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    I'll forward all your concerns to the FBI :roflol: You know that right wing gestopo that forced Clinton to have a private server :roflol:

    Why would you liberals support such an inept liar is beyond me. I can respect those that support Bernie Sanders, at least he's honest even though he's full of (*)(*)(*)(*)
     
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    I was short a hundred, big deal, the bottom line, he doesn't suck Johnson's to line his pockets like the Clinton's
     
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    the future for the left and America is looking damn good, we're all smiles
     
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    Better call James Comey immediately with this information. It could save him a lot of time.

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    I think it was Dennis Miller who said that if Hillary is elected her first action will be to pardon herself. :omg:

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    Comey is on it.
     
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    According to the exit polls in NH for the Democrat voters, 34% of them rated trustworthiness as the most important virtue in a candidate. Of that group, 94% voted for Sanders.

    Hillary is going to be toast even before she is indicted !! But not to worry, her $500 million payola slush fund will keep her out of jail for a long time libs. Meanwhile, you have your old white guy to carry on.
     

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