Syrian Refugees Across The U.S. Are Condemning ISIS

I fail to see why you're keen to single out the Muslim faith. The Jews got exactly the same idea's about women. And they live right among us in the western world with their own Jew courts in place, and nobody gives a damn. So why should I give a damn about the idea's of muslims?

1) you don't get to interpret what is meant with "and strive with might and main for mischief through the land"
2) US troops, dude, removed the law and order incl the army of Iraq, deliberately. They created the biggest power vacuum on the planet since who knows, and because of what the US troops did, dude, they facilitated ISIS to be born. And because of that the US troops got that blood on their hands, dude. And I fail to see a problem in that a person in charge of that disaster that got 100.000's of people killed, get's the death penalty and his henchmen exiled from the land where they made that disaster.

"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." S. 2:62

Seems you're raping things totally out of context again, so it fits your hateful extremist agenda.

 

For the record, when ASKED, you can't even condemn the Jihad verses in the Qur'an obviously....so you are officially a Jihad apologist. We have a Jihad apologist among us, guys. Before we can defeat the Jihadists, we must defeat the Jihad apologists - ideologically. Let the battle begin.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!! Just because his name is, well, Muslim, doesn't mean that he was born a Muslim - it's not like his, say, father, was a Muslim or anything....because if his father were a Muslim then it would explain his lack of desire to crush Islam. I'm sure his dad was a Richard-Dawkins-loving Modern Secular Humanist. Yep.

 

what verses are you talking about? I just put up that they may not be violent against Christians, Jews and the righteous.

Actually we got a muslim hater among us, that posts vids from people who are banned to enter the UK due to their hate speeches.

 

If Muslims demanded other Muslims to change their domestic culture to that of the Western World, there would be no ISIS. It's the accepted theory of some Muslim Sect's, along with a share of the Iman's preaching, that can generate the movement, not the actual culture their trying to change.

I really don't know how many interpretations of the Koran there are, but ISIS seems to insist on 100% compliance to which ever one they believe. If you don't, well your correct...My only point in this discussion, is to expect assimilation into the American Society, is NOT realistic.

 

I'll repeat: Can you, notme, condemn the Qur'an for it's verses that say to wage Jihad against the Infidel? I can. How about you?

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I love Muslims, and want what's best for them....Modern Secular Humanism.

 

The Muslim faith has many, many branches... and muslims got all kinds of different cultural things.
Just idiotic to claim the west done it and it used to be homogeneous. It never was.

Saudi Arabia, the papal state of the Muslims, where Sharia law is the rule... the highest clergy denounced all kinds of things that ISIS stands for. It's like hearing Westboro Baptist Church got some people who agree with them, while the Pope disagrees with them. You got to be kidding me that the Pope that he and his entire church representing the faith of a massive amount of people don't know what they are talking about, but the Westboro Baptist Church does.

 

I put up a verse that they must be peaceful against the infidels, so your claim that they must rage jihad is untrue.
Nothing to condemn. While you fail to put forth the verse that is not right in your view, and refuse to do it even though I requested it.

Nope. You source fanatic muslim haters who are banned to enter the UK.

 

There are many many verses that urge the Muslim to wage Jihad against the non-believer....come on, get serious...what, you think ISIS has found no verses that tell them to wage Jihad, so they are on purpose trying to do exactly the opposite of the Quran?
The sources quote the Islamic texts!

 

You sourced something from a stormfront like anti-muslim site, and youtube vid of a person cussing hate speeches so he got banned from entering the UK. You raped Quran 5:33 out of context, while it about a death penalty for genocidal monsters.... a norm that after 1400 years is still up to par.

And I commented on that I'm not going to defend some rant of the equivalent of a nazi for the Jews.
All I need, is to point out it's a fanatic hater.

 

If I can show you where Mohammad said that the Muslims will have to fight the Jews (before the end of days) would you condemn Mohammad for that bigotry?

 

Stuff like this?
Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. (Quran 2:62)

And if you quote something like Quran 5:51, than do realize the context of that, is also to be read in 5:52 (And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they had secretly harboured within themselves-) through Quran 60:8 (God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers!)

where it is about the Jews who switched sides to attack Mohammed from behind. And so than it gets to be the old eye for an eye theme. I know you're not good with context, so...




And how about you condemn the Jewish faith. It's corner stone is about the Jew God massacring all the innocent 1st born children, so the Jews can march to the land of Canaan to commit genocide with Gods approval. How about it?

 

Amarillo was recently named the fifth most dangerous city in Texas, according to FBI crime statistics, up from sixth last year. And it has been nationally recognized as having one of the highest rates of rape in the nation.

That’s a dubious distinction that Sherman believes is tied to the high number of Muslim refugees shipped there by the U.S. government.

“The rape epidemic in this world is becoming pandemic. It’s not confined to one location. Fifteen years ago in Norway, rape was unheard of. Now it’s an epidemic,” Sherman said. “The perpetrators are 100 percent Muslim males. In Sweden, rape has gone up by 500 percent. Stockholm recently had the dubious honor of opening their very first rape center for men and boys.”


http://www.wnd.com/2016/02/so-it-be...n-with-criminal-refugees/#fDiwdBoKI3vuRh1g.99

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Of course I condemn the Jewish faith, as I have many times on this forum condemned Jesus (and the rest of the Bible) who approved of Moses and the old texts in Mt 5:17-19.


Mohammad was promoting genocide (or at least a holy war where arguably untold numbers of people would be slaughtered, obviously not a man of peace):
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim). Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

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Wow, it's almost like Mohammad approved of rape, or something.

 

Isn't it ironic?
Institute for the Secularization of Islamic Society
ISIS
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/about

 

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
— Qur'an 2:106, [

When We substitute one revelation for another, – and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),– they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
— Qur'an 16:101,

2:62 has been substituted with

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

As an atheist, Im not concerned with what god did or may do. I am concerned with what their god instructs them to do. The jewish god allowed them to be expelled from Israel and commanded them to be good citizens of the nations they go to, which would rule out genocide

 

He wasn't.


In fact. He married a Jew. And when she died, way after Mohammed died, she was able to pass her land to her Jewish nephew.

Oh, how stupid must you feel now.


And your error lies again in the context. He doesn't rant "all the Jews", just "the Jews". And I told you before he had plenty of Jewish tribes who switched sides behind his back during a war. Hence he was preaching to kill those, and not the righteous.

 

Vers. 29-128 refer to the events connected with the expedition to Tabouk. It was a expedition vs the Byzantine army who killed his diplomats. Only those and their supporters are the "not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book".

Funny think is. Nobody died in that Tabouk thing while they did meet a Christian tribe who switched sides from Byzantine to Mohammed.

....shouldn't be quoting 1 line out of a rather thick book, and think you know what it is about.

 

I'll agree, in the US people living in different areas, States or territories have, can and do feel and act in different manners. That's why we have State Rights and our central government was intended to set guide lines, laws and enforcement's with prescribed limitation. The problem in trying to be politically correct today, is that States do try to alter laws and enforcement's to satisfy differences, opposed to simply enforcing existing law, illegal migration being an example and assimilation referring to others.

As to SA, which is a good example of domestic extremism practices, there concern is Monarchy verses democracy or if you prefer, how a Nation is ruled, by the people or inherent rulers. ISIS is ruled neither way, rather by ideology, which is inconsistent with the rulers of SA.

 

Not even close.

Saudi Arabia is ruled by a rather huge family on one side. On the other side, it's population is deeply religious, and has this entire clergy system where the head of the church has that much power that it rivals the royal family. While ISIS is ruled in an ideological way that is neither compatible with the royal house or the clergy system or even the culture of the Saudi's (since the Saudi's haven't been in the mood to expand and convert by force since who knows)

 

Great notions.

When you do suppose the muslim Jihad against the west will conclude?

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My appologies

 

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I think I'm understanding you better now, you didn't literally mean "go to Syria" as much as you mean "go back to this topic".

Yes, I like this topic because as events unfold all over the world, I'm attracted to these positive stories that prove my narrative that not all of these people are involved in a struggle to kill all the infidels.

This particular story struck a nerve with me because it truly is everything I've been saying for a long time now, and I was excited to see "my words" in print.

I predicted it, and sure enough it came true. I've admitted many times in here that predicting all of this was no amazing feat because really it's just common sense.

Of course these people were going to come here, and share their war stories. All people that have been through traumatic events do that, so it didn't take a PHD to figure out that they would come here & do this.

My only other point is that I'm equally confident that, as more Muslims that have been living here for years hear & read what these people have to say, their opinion or feelings about these terrorists groups will lesson even more, and hopefully it will become almost impossible for groups like ISIS to recruit anybody.

The more voices there are sharing these horrific stories, the better off we all are as I see it.

 

That's a fair question, and one that's been raised by quite a lot of people.

I will do my best to answer but like everything revolving these people & their culture.....it's complicated.

First & foremost you used the word "some".

You said: "I do hear some Muslims speaking out" Respectfully Ddyad that's a problem right there as there have been millions of these people speaking out, and they have been doing so for years.

The reason why I wanted you to listen to the gentleman in the last video was because he really hits the nail on the head in terms of why more people don't hear or get their massage of non-violence & condemnation of groups like ISIS.

There is an answer to your question but it comes with many facets & sides to it.

Firstly, there's a whole hell of a lot more than just "some" Muslims speaking out against terrorism, but our wonderful media does a horrible job of chasing those stories down & broadcasting them.

Muslims in front of cameras saying things that fly in the face of all the lies that are perpetuated about them doesn't really make for good copy, and some small, local stations have even been threatened whenever they did run pieces showing Muslims speaking out against terrorism.

I have no less than a hundred or more videos in my YouTube video history library of Muslims doing exactly that, and I could drown you in videos of these people speaking out.

I could drown you in internet links of Muslims speaking out against terrorism, and I could bore you to tears by talking to you on the phone for hours recounting dozens of stories of conversations with Muslims that did nothing but defend themselves & their religion at work, and all places outside of their home everyday.

I'm not saying that "you" would necessarily be dismissive of it, but the problem is most people are dismissive of it, and have shown a track record of doing exactly that whenever they have been presented with this stuff.

Many have asked the same question you've asked Ddyad, and when they are given the answer or shown the proof they retort with the same ole tired replies of......"too little too late, "not good enough", "not strong enough", "not clear enough", "not the right medium", "not enough people and/or voices".

They deem themselves judge & jury over what constitutes a real, legitimate answer, and 99.9% of the time the verdict is always "not good enough, try again."

They say things like: "where is your million Muslim march", "why are thousand of you not in the streets with signs protesting terrorists", "why don't I see millions of you on my TV screen marching all over the country pushing back against terrorists"..............

"Because this is what I need to see, to feel safe and to be satisfied that you really mean it, and that your not all commiserating in your community plotting the next attack".

Lets just be honest here & cut to the chase shall we, this is what people truly feel, and this is what they really want to ask & say.

You have to understand that not every culture from all over the world behaves like us. The world is not filled with John Wayne's who feel the need to make everything as big as Texas, and use a bullhorn approach for every situation.

Whenever Arabs do go about protests in this way, they are met with the insanity you saw in that video.......if you watched it.

Muslim religious leaders in just about every mosque in this country every Friday talk about these issues. (especially right after another attack has happened somewhere)

You have to realize that practicing Muslims go to church every week faithfully, so that means that "most" of the Muslims living in this country and everywhere else, gets these messages, and denounces terrorist's & terrorism on a weekly basis.

Just because you don't see millions of them marching towards Washington doesn't mean that the conversations, denouncing & push-back isn't happening.

Quite honestly what's infuriating for me is when it is presented to people (like I wrote earlier) it's all dismissed as insignificant, and the excuses as to why it really all means nothing is mind blowing.

Your legitimate Ddyad, I know that........but there are millions of people in this country, and elsewhere that have already made up their minds about these people, and believe me they have no intentions of ever trusting them or giving then the benefit of the doubt on anything. (most Muslims know that)

That's the final dynamic we're working with here.

Do you have any idea what it's like to leave your home everyday, and be scrutinized from the second you leave until the second you walk back in your door? What it must feel like to be sneered at, spit upon, called names, and be ostracized most places you go because your manner of dress screams: "hey look at me, I'm a Muslim"?

Do you have any idea what that must do a persons psyche, and what type of toll it takes upon them? Yet all of us expect for them to just take it day in & day out with a smile, while they all prove to all of us how loyal they are, and how they're denouncing terrorism everyday?

Because I look the way I do, and nobody knows what the hell I am, I've been asked every stupid question under the sun. Most people my entire life have felt certain enough that I was one of the following races, approached me, and asked me:

Why do Puerto Ricans ride around in cars at 15 people a clip?

Why do Sicilians have curly hair & dark skin?

Why did the black kid on the news last night steal a TV?

Why do Blacks love watermelon so much?

Do you have any idea what it's like to live inside of "skin" that makes others feel as though they have the right to ask such idiotic questions, and how exactly are you supposed to answer them?

I know a little something about what Muslims are going through these days, and I can understand how insane it makes them to constantly be under the microscope of scrutiny. I know what it's doing them internally to be constantly grilled on the subject or made to feel responsible for the actions of lunatics that they don't know, have never met, and hate a million times more than you ever could.

I think that's the biggest insult surrounding this topic is the fact that terrorists kill more Muslims than anybody else........yet most people privately, suspects Muslims of harboring or supporting the very animals that are responsible for all of their suffering.

I'll leave you with an article that I read a while ago, and I think it's a really good one, please give it a read when you get time.

Why Muslims Should Never Have To Apologize for Terrorism

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-...should-never-have-to-apologize_b_9526296.html

Have a great evening, and watch for a new thread I'm working on concerning two Syrian families that made it out of Syria that are trying to start new lives for themselves.

 

Two of the individuals involved in the Paris attacks, one being a suicide bomber, came in the wave of Syrian refugees that were resettled in mainland Europe.

You loose.