Iran mocks WWII Holocaust, prepares another

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  1. Ronstar

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    the facts about the Holocaust are known to all but Nazis and self-hating Jews.
     
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    Does it bother you that Nizkor mentions all the 12 million Holocaust victims instead of mentioning only the Jewish victims? If so, why?

    From a review of Eisenhower's book:

    The answer to your question - why there was no mention of gas chambers in those books - is indeed very simple. Those are not history books.

    There is archeological proof of gas chambers at Treblinka.

    Life magazine 28 Nov 1960.
    https://books.google.co.il/books?id=0U0EAAAAMBAJ&q=Eichmann#v=onepage&q=Eichmann&f=false

    He mentions gassing.

    Easier to read here:
    http://madness-visible.blogspot.co.il/2011/02/eichmanns-interview-in-life-magazine.html

    Jews were not singled out because of their religion, but because of their ethnicity. Race theory &stuff.

    This is not what Jonsa said. He said that not all six million were gassed. Which does not exclude other means of systematical extermination.

    Tell that to Holocaust deniers. They seem to forget this basic fact.

    This is a leading question. It's based on a false premise - that randomly killing Jews was what Nazis were doing.

    The real crime was the systematic destruction of an entire people. Taking the purpose into account, the number of those killed matters. The greater the number, the closer the criminals were to their goal.

    You think wrong.
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ok-initiative-israel-we-love-you-too-1.419505

    It's the Iranian theocratic regime that Israelis hate, not the Iranian people.
     
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    Holocaust denial, is disgusting
     
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    Minimize and minimize until it hits zero eh you nazi (*)(*)(*)(*)?
     
  5. truth and justice

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    You're funny.
    You're an internet warrior who is obsessed with Russia, Putin and rape - you should get help.

    Anyway, if a small group related to you are murdered, going by your logic, it is not important because only a small number of people were murdered. Those who maintain that the greater the number murdered the more tragic the crime need to have a good look at themselves. They show no feelings to the murder of smaller groups. They toss those genocidal massacres away just because they have a closer attachment to a higher number massacre. It is like a sick sort of competition.

    Unlike you, I care about all murders irrespective of how many were murdered
     
  6. Face. Your

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    No that's not true, by 1942 the Einsatzgrupen were in the process of murdering appx. 2 million Jews in the German rear lines but you already know this as I have already provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

    And you have already been shown the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

    And the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


    Q. What were these orders?

    A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
    Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

    A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

    Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

    A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

    Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

    A. Yes.

    Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

    A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

    Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

    *Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
    **Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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    pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

    A. Yes, That is right.

    Q. They were found in Russia?

    A. Yes.

    Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

    A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

    Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Because of blood?

    A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

    Q. And because of their blood, right?

    A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

    Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

    A. Between whom?

    B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

    A. The difference of the blood, yes.

    Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

    A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
    Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

    Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

    A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

    COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

    OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.


    COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

    OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

    COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

    OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

    OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.


    http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

    And the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August–November 1942.

    [​IMG]

    You're done.
     
  7. Shelly Ann

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    Iran is a terrorist state. They are the source of Islamic fundamentalism, they WILL destroy Israel given the chance and Obama's Negotiated nuclear deal pretty much guarantees that. I certainly hope that the Iranian deal is renegotiated and that Iran is NEVER allowed to pursue nuclear weapons.
     
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    The extermination camps of Belzec, Chelmno, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Majdanek, and Sobibor were all in the East in Soviet occupied territory so of course when Eisenhower made the decision for the people under his command to record the atrocities of the Nazi regime he wouldn't have been able to tour those camps, however, you know who did visit those camps? Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, who all testified to the existence of the extermination camps and all of whom were high ranking Nazi officials who were never charged with any crime and who have not recanted their testimony to this very day!

    You are a Nazi seeking to minimize the holocaust down to zero in a disgusting attempt to rehabilitate the inhuman past of the Third Reich, you're not fooling anyone.
     
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    Jonsa admitted that a great many Jewish people died as a result of disease and starvation toward the end of the war when the German supply lines were cut off
     
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    Hitler was insane and his inner circle were madmen. They murdered the Jews because they were not blonde hair and blue eyes. Too bad the Atomic bomb was developed late in the war. it should have been used on Germany after the invasion of Poland.

    The Third Reich was a group of Barbarians, and I'm glad they were completely destroyed.
     
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    You're done, you've been done for a long time, you couldn't offer a single rebuttal to the following unequivocal facts 6 months ago the last time I made you look like the idiot that you are and you won't be able to refute them today:



    You people have already been provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

    You have been shown the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

    You have been provided the Jager report produced by SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 detailing the extermination of Lithuanian Jewry including nearly 40,000 children:

    http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

    You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day,

    You have been shown the Wannsee Transcripts outlining the Final Solution to the Jewish question.

    http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

    You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

    http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

    [video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

    [video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

    You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

    I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

    http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

    And another on October 6, 1943:

    I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.


    You have been shown the comparative World Almanac census statistics for the global Jewish population showing a drop of nearly 5.5 million between 1938 and 1949.

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

    You have been shown the Nazi document showing that an 80,000 cremation capacity per month at Auschwitz was insufficient.

    http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

    You have been shown the details of the mass graves excavated at Belzec:

    Grave 3 is 16 meters long by 15 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 52 feet by 50 feet by 16 feet.)

    Grave 10 is 24 meters long by 18 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 78 feet by 59 feet by 16 feet.)

    Grave 20 extends outside the current camp boundaries and so could not be completely measured. The part that could be measured is 26 meters long by 11 meters wide by 5 meters deep (85 feet by 36 feet by 16 feet).

    More dishonestly, Mattogno fails to mention at all that Graves 1, 4, 13, 25, 27, 28 and 32 also contain unburned remains.

    Therefore, out of 10 graves that held whole human remains, Mattogno only acknowledges 3 of them.

    Grave 5 contains "pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further." The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet).

    Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet). It contains "carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones."

    Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

    Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains "burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters." That is about 16 feet deep.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspo t.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html

    You have been shown the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


    Q. What were these orders?

    A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
    Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

    A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

    Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

    A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

    Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

    A. Yes.

    Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

    A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

    Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

    *Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
    **Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

    Page 275

    pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

    A. Yes, That is right.

    Q. They were found in Russia?

    A. Yes.

    Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

    A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

    Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Because of blood?

    A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

    Q. And because of their blood, right?

    A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

    Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

    A. Between whom?

    B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

    A. The difference of the blood, yes.

    Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

    A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
    Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

    Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

    A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

    COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

    OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

    COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

    OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

    COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

    OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

    OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.


    http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

    You have been shown the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August–November 1942.

    [​IMG]

    You have been shown the Höfle Telegrams sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heim in Cracow detailing the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.

    [​IMG]

    You have been shown the Korherr Report written by chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr outlining the population drop of European Jewry (4 million not including substantial portions of Eastern European Jewry and Jews within occupied Soviet Russia) from 1937 to December 1942.

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.o rg/holoprelude/korherr.html

    And now you have been shown the searchable database of over 4.2 million names and back stories of Jewish victims of the Shoah compiled by Yad Vashem.

    http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en

    Now either offer rebuttals to these facts or go back to stormfront with the rest of the Nazi pigs, you're not welcome here with normal people.
     
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    Classic holocaust denying tactic number one, minimize down and down until the number hits zero, between 5 and 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by the Nazi regime according to all available evidence, anyone who denies that fact is a holocaust denier and a liar.
     
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    A drop in the bucket, is it your laughable assertion that 80,000 per month were dying of typhus and starvation? The typhus epidemic in the camps had been eliminated by August of 1942 due to a delousing program, the following letter is from 1943 testifying that an 80 thousand cremation capacity at Auschwitz was insufficient:

    http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

    And funny that while the inmates who were selected for extermination immediately upon arrival were not registered, of those who were registered and issued death certificates very few died of typhus putting an end to the typhus myth:

    In 1989, the Auschwitz Archives in Moscow were opened for the first time since the Soviets liberated the camp in January 1945. These archives contain thousands of documents which survived destruction by the camp authorities when they fled the advancing Soviet forces. Among the items discovered were the Auschwitz Death Books. These books contain the death certificates of registered prisoners only. Nonregistered prisoners who were killed upon arrival did not receive a death certificate. The death books are incomplete. They contain the certificates of 68,864 registered prisoners who died from August 1941 to December 1943.There are no books for 1944 or periods prior to August 1941.They are either missing or were destroyed. Also, there are a number of missing books for the period August 1941 to December 1943. However, each book contains between 1400 and 1500 entries. [29] By interpolating 1500 entries into each missing death book we can arrive at approximately 80,000 deaths of registered prisoners for 1942 and 1943. [30] Dr. Tadeusz Paczula, a former Auschwitz inmate, was in the camp from 1940. He also kept the death registries for registered inmates. He later testified that for the two years following the summer of 1942, about 130,000 names were entered into the death registries. [31]

    Nevertheless, the nearly 69,000 death certificates available afford researchers the opportunity to see exactly what was killing registered prisoners. It is now known on the basis of these certificates that very few prisoners died from typhus. [32] They show that only 2060 of the 68,864 deaths were from typhus. While typhus can be lethal, it need not necessarily be so. Lucie Adelsberger, a Jewish prisoner and camp doctor, got typhus, was quarantined, and resumed her duties after recovery. [33] Similarly, Ella Lingens Reiner, a German doctor, who was also a prisoner, contracted typhus and survived. [34] One of the early Auschwitz memoirs, written in 1947, recounts an episode with camp doctor Josef Mengele, later to become known as the "Angel of Death" for his medical experiments. Mengele was disturbed about the typhus epidemic. The former prisoner wrote: "Alas, typhus epidemics did rage in the camp, but at this time we had comparatively few victims. The same day he [Mengele] sent us a large quantity of serum and directed mass vaccinations." [35] Petro Mirchuk, a Ukranian prisoner, wrote that a delousing in August 1942, the worst month of the epidemic, "eliminated the epidemic and the billions of fleas and lice ceased to exist." [36]


    http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

    Furthermore; if only 130,000 people were even granted death certificates at Auschwitz then why would they need a crematoria capacity of more than 80,000 per month? It makes no sense. The highest number of registered inmates at Auschwitz ever was in 1944 at 92,000 so are you seriously going to argue that they needed a cremation capacity of more than 80,000 per month with 6 double muffle Gusen style ovens at Aushwitz with a 26 body capacity for each muffle (26 x 2 x 6 per hour) which comes out to 312 bodies burned per hour, if people were not being registered and were in fact immediately killed upon entrance to the camp? That to put it mildly is absurd.
     
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    Eichmann gave an interview before he was captured, admitting that the Holocaust happened and saying it was worth it
     
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    He was brainwashed by Jew pheromones don't ya know?
     
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    The purpose/goal of Holocaust denial is to revive the honor of the Nazi regime and ideology, so that they can rise again.
     
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    Where have I quoted a figure? You have no sympathy with any other holocausts. You treat holocausts as some sort of sick contest
     
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    Do you believe that between 5 and 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by the Nazis because they were Jews? If not then you are a holocaust denier and likely a Nazi.
     
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    And we are 25 pages into this thing and not a shred of proof has been presented that supports this belief.

    This is really all you people got.

    And this, btw, is the cartoon that won the contest:

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    Hmmmm
     
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    there were 18 million Jews on Earth in 1938.

    around 12 million after the war.

    where are the missing Jews?
     
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    You keep changing your numbers lol, so they certainly are not fact. That said, your question was answered, remember? America? Israel?

    Hell, my family on both sides escaped Hitler's Nazis to America. I've heard the story recounted many times how my uncle Louis came with 10 cents to his name. Jews flooded America from Europe and if you read and understood the questions from our Rabbis, you would know that Hitler and the zionists conspired to transport the Jews to Israel.

    Get over it.
     
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    very few Jews made it to the USA or Israel during the Nazi regime.
     
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    I didn't "admit" to anything. I merely stated a very well defined historical fact..

    anyone with a cursory knowledge of this period in history knows that disease and starvation were significant factors in the camps. Just like they know that the gas chambers were real, the Sonderkommando were real and the beatings, torture and medical experimentation were real.

    But of course jew hating nazi loving denialists can't accept historical and scientific fact when those facts contradict their puny twisted world view.
     
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    800,000 Jews shipped to Treblinka.

    no records of any being shipped out.

    maybe 5,000 left after liberation.

    where did the missing Jews go?
     
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    See? That's the thing. We are 25 pages into this, and still no proof that gas chambers were ever used on people. It must be the greatest conspiracy ever pulled off if true.
     

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