Great American Gun myth no2 "Guns don't kill people People Kill people"

Gosh - Who'da thought it? Australia has racists too!

Does not mean they are right - and BTW what has that got to do with gun control - unless you are trying to validate the theory that Americans are paranoid about the right to guns because they fear the "darker races" will go wild and rape and kill everyone

 

No, what they do not have is a toxic culture. America doesn't have a gun problem. It has a culture problem. We've had guns in this country since 1776. So why is it only now that suddenly we have a "gun problem?" Doesn't that seem a little odd? Sure there have been technological advancements since then, but that should only increase the body count. It shouldn't affect the frequency of the events. So then why were there no school shootings in the 1950s?

It's because something changed between then and now. Our culture got poisoned. Traditional American culture was positive and optimistic. Present day American culture is negative, violent, nihilistic, and self-destructive. And this is all a result of the slow and steady erosion of the Judeo-Christian foundation that build the country. This is what moral relativism breeds. It breeds nihilism and destruction.

 

I agree that it is primarily a culture problem - what we do not agree on is the nature of the problem in your culture. I perceive the problem primarily as being a weird outlook on guns

 

But as Unifier said, our outlook on guns has been the same since we became a country, and it's just recently that going nuts and shooting up a place became common. So logically, it has to be something other than the guns or their acceptance.

 

I'm not trying to validate anything. There are plenty of whites who shouldn't have access to firearms. Unlike your forebears, we don't have the luxury of starving or shooting anyone we don't want to have them. BTW, your use of the term "darker races" leads me to believe you may be an Australian racist yourself. Anyway, I realize that no matter what myself or anyone else on this thread may say, you're still going to spout some contrary rhetoric. So, G'Day, and give some serious thought to pulling that plug.
Enjoy!

 

See I challenge that. Admittedly you probably always a little in love with guns but then you started making them and national pride got mixed into guns along the way. But there are a lot of false meme's out there that are hyping up the gun debate

 

You would not even attempt to mix that with any form of humour IF you knew Australia's horrible and shameful history. Yes we starved, shot, poisoned, trapped like animals and generally raped our way across this continent

What though, has that to do with a silly advertising meme?

 

if it is so silly, why give it all this attention? It is only important to you, apparently. After all, you are the only one validating it

 

Precisely. The degradation of cultural standards was done with malice aforethought by the leadership of the collective Left. If all meaningful codes of behavior, if all meaningful standards are mocked in most entertainment media for decade after decade then the average punk, thug in training, what have you, has got no meaningful guidelines outside of 'if it feels good, do it' and 'your personal self-esteem is the most important issue in the universe.' Ta-da! The United States of America at the a*ss end of 2013. Way to go Left!

Then the issue arises, why has violence risen? Yeah . . . why . . . duh!

 

The gun control crowd are the ones glorifying guns by making them attractive to the crazy crowd instead of leaving them for what they have always been throughout American history, a tool. Look how they try and frighten their kids about guns, telling them that guns are evil. It only makes them more attractive to those that need to test the bounds of society.

 

Wow Straw man mixed with large doses of political generalisations that have no relationship to reality

 

Those that are steeped in the idea that guns are the problem will never see the forest for the trees.

 

An example of this being - green fairies perhaps??

 

In case you have lost your way, this thread is about your fear of guns.

 

Knew there was an Ad Hom in there somewhere - thanks for conceding the debate!!

 

LOL ain't that the truth....Gun companies don't or can't advertise on national news media, only trade magazines dedicated to folks who do buy guns (I seriously doubt johnny gangbanger has a subscription to guns and ammo) Meanwhile the gun control crowd of politicians and Hollywood elite make movies and shows glorifying violence and guns. I would say you hit that spot on. (BTW johnny gangbanger does watch those movies)

I guess the real meme is that it is the anti-gun players are their own worst enemies

 

If not your fear of guns, then your fear of guns in the hands of people, which would nullify the thread OP.

 

And have implemented effective gun control, including national registration.

 

And that's because you live in a place that doesn't have guns. So they are alien to you. And naturally it's going to be the first thing you assume is the problem just because it is different from the world that you know. What you don't realize is that you are hyper-focusing on one specific detail and not seeing the bigger issue here. The greater cultural rot that has born this desire to harm others in the first place. A desire that did not exist in American culture until relatively recently. The blatant disrespect for other people. The glorification of self-destruction. Our culture today teaches us to hate ourselves. It teaches us to hate others. It promotes love as weakness and evil as strength. Look at our movies today. Look at our tv shows today. Listen to our music today. There are no good guys anymore. There is only bad and worse. Kids grow up identifying with the bad guys now. Viewing criminals as heroes. You could ban every gun in the country tomorrow and it wouldn't change much. The attitude would still be there, and eventually the people would just find new creative ways of channeling their nihilism. I predict you'd see a lot more people making homemade bombs and blowing things up. We'd begin to look more like the middle east. Remember the Boston marathon? Those kids used guns (illegally purchased, I might add) in their getaway chase, sure, but they did the bulk of their damage with homemade explosives. Remember the guy that shot up the movie theater last summer for the Dark Knight Rises premier? Remember what his apartment looked like? It was rigged with explosives. Or, hell, let's take it all the way back to the originators of the modern day "shooting spree" epidemic. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold at Columbine. They used homemade bombs and molotov cocktails in their rampage too.

Are you noticing a pattern yet? Do you see the problem?

 

"The rate of gun deaths is negatively correlated with states that ban assault weapons, require trigger locks, and mandate safe storage requirements for guns.
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http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/12/geography-us-gun-violence/4171/

I take it you have no opinions regarding the laws of other countries?
Perhaps someone with a subjective opinion - who has seen alternative approaches in action - might have something of value to contribute.

Blaming immigrants and minorities is a popular tactic, but New York's "stop and frisk" trial showed this isn't accurate.
http://advocate.nyc.gov/sites/advocate.nyc.gov/files/DeBlasioStopFriskReform.pdf
- The likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded a weapon was half that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered a weapon in one out every 49 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 71 stops of Latinos and 93 stops of African Americans to find a weapon.

- Similarly, the likelihood a stop of an African American New Yorker yielded contraband was one-third less than that of white New Yorkers stopped. The NYPD uncovered contraband in one out every 43 stops of white New Yorkers. By contrast, it took the Department 57 stops of Latinos and 61 stops of African Americans to find contraband.

 

I never thought about it this way before…

 

I don't fear guns I fear the jackwipe thats holding it. IF this country had the political gonads to actually to go after guns in the more crime riddled areas, breaking up the gangs and dealing with our drug problem I would bet our overall gun deaths and injuries would be seriously diminshed...

 

First, I'm more than a little bothered that you have started ANOTHER thread with the same title as the first. Or was that the first?? You just can't get enough of this, eh?
Switzerland. Those are real live ASSAULT RIFLES. To be honest, you'd have to compare the murder rate in America by the use of a real live, fully automatic ASSAULT RIFLE. Even if we remove the requirement that it be a full-auto assault rifle, how do the per capita rates compare between the Swiss, and All American murders committed with a long arm of any kind?
What has got you going on this crusade to assault the rights of Americans, Bowe_bird?
Now, even the meme of the toaster is totally misleading. No, a toaster cannot possibly toast toast. Before that can happen, a person has to put the bread in, and actuate the mechanism. That person has to manipulate the controls of the toaster to cause it to warm, or toast, or burn the bread. Then the person has to remove the result of his actions thus far. Toasters don't toast toast. People toast toast.

 

It has never been a debate between the black and white issues of guns or people. The pro, "guns for anyone crowd" are obviously for arming everyone without govt. interference because they, don't trust the govt, and don't trust anyone who does NOT own a gun. Strange. In reality, reasonable gun control is based upon the best ways of only allowing qualified people to have guns, pretty much the way ALL of our rights in the bill of rights are interpreted. It is not a "natural right" for 5 year olds, convicted felons and people on drugs to have access to high powered weaponry. The rest of the civilized world gets it. We depend upon unfettered capitalism at all cost to lie about our responsibility.

Countries like Switzerland with gun related crimes so low, they don't report it, don't disarm their people. They educate and arm the properly trained and qualified..... as best they can. This approach pretty much makes silly all the arguments of the "guns for anyone" crowd as it still allows and supports the local militia ideals while cooperating in the effort to keep guns out of the hands of those unqualified. It even puts a high percentage of full auto matic weapons in the hands of the qualified. Imagine that ? More powerful weapons per capita and even less gun crime. You definitely are thinking twice about breaking into the house with a resident 30 years old or younger ! Their choice is to, pick on the older qualified folks who may have only semi auto military versions of the same weapons. No wonder gun crime rates are equally low.

Logical gun control actually introduces military weapons per capita into the hands of more qualified people while removing them from more unqualified people. That's pretty much what our constitution framers had in mind.

Btw, it's an ideal shared with Israel whose residents face terroism more then most other free nations of the world.

 

5 year olds and convicted felons?
I I won't dignify your rant with any further comment.