Great American Gun myth no2 "Guns don't kill people People Kill people"

yeppers that's my thinking

 

Just proves wisdom can be found anywhere

 

The differences between the United States and Switzerland are interesting.

In the United States a constitutional right means an obligation that each citizen must fulfill to the very extreme. If the constitution said "The right of the people to commit suicide shall not be infringed" you'd probably go around jumping off buildings and stuff.

Point is: mellow out about your rights a bit. Just because you have the right to bear arms doesn't mean that you SHOULD go around showing your kids how to shoot cans at the age of 4 and leaving your gun on the floor next to the bed when you sleep because "dem (*)(*)(*)(*) govnmnt commies won't take me alive".

 

I have not taught anyone under the age of 18 how to shoot. Not even my own children. I just taught them gun safety, like don't go looking for the gun because you don't have all four keys to get into my locker. Don't handle a firearm you know nothing about.
And so what if I keep a guns next to the bed at night. Why the concern? You're not breaking into my house so you're not going to get shot.
"If the constitution said "The right of the people to commit suicide shall not be infringed" you'd probably go around jumping off buildings and stuff."
Strawman..ad hom

 

Are you sure? Ozzie's brain is so fried that the extent of his mental powers is basic bodily functions like eating, breathing, and excreting. Have you seen him? He can barely walk. Walking and chewing gum at the same time is beyone is mental capacity.

This is where you loose, isn't it? When you use an idiot to build an arguement, it just makes an idiotic arguement.

 

no, it cant.

 

Atomic Bombs don't kill people, people kill people.

 

Turn it round and you understand that a brain fried rocker can be more astute than many Americans brain washed by the NRA

I did not build my argument on Ozzie's words - they were just a wry observation of what people outside of America think about a meaningless advertising campaign - because that is what this was - a meaningless advertising campaign that caught on

 

You are getting seriously bankrupt when you resort to talking about the population being "brainwashed by the NRA".

 

Where are all the supporters of abortion in this discussion? Weren't they arguing that population control was one of the reasons to favor the termination of the fetus?
Where are these arguments now in the gun control section?? You can't have it both ways.

There are more elective late term abortions (not done for "medical reasons") every year in the USA than there are gun deaths, not counting suicides.

So if we really wanted to save human lives, the first place we should start is banning abortions, not gun ownership.

This doesn't even count all the rapes that gun ownership has prevented, and thus fewer abortions done on poor little fetuses that were the product of rape.
As for suicides committed using a gun, if someone wants to kill themself they hardly need a gun to do so.

How many lives have guns saved ?
Why are we not talking about that?
http://gunssavelives.net/
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defen...es-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/

Yeah, I wonder how many of these "gun deaths" were actually criminals attempting to rob a house or business, or would-be rapists approaching vulnerable women in a darkly lit parking lots.

 

all due respect but this is a red herring strawman misdirected irrelevancy-derail.

 

where's your convert? this is another lie!!!!!!!!!!!

 

How so? You want to go after guns and claim how many deaths they cause.
It's only fair to point out the Liberal hypocrisy. Do elective late-late term abortions not count as human deaths?
The truth is that Liberals care far more about a woman's right to an abortion than a man's right to defend his family. They are all too willing to sacrifice human life when it is something they care about.

 

There may be some liberals like that but i think you are indulging in some big-time stereotyping.

A "mans right to defend his family" consists of more than whether there is a city or state ordnance about handguns and or restrictions on the circumstances under which they can be used.

 

...seems the OP has abandoned ship.....

 

That is a cultural thing. Their defense system for a long time based on all being trained and armed. Under such a circumstance it is difficult to be a criminal. Guns don't defend me, I defend me.

 

They're not saying that guns aren't the instrument used for killing, they're saying (quite poorly, I might add) that human intent is required to use a gun coercively, so it's wrong to seize that property without first showing that individual intent.

If what Ozzy is suggesting is the case, why do we give operators to guns when they're sent to war? Why not just send crates and crates of guns? Because intent is required.

 

So Ozzy Osbourne is now the brilliant spokesperson for reason and logic. Had I known that I would have ingested a full grain silo amount of drugs as well to increase my intellect.

It does not matter what study has been done it is not myth but absolute fact guns do not kill people.

I own over ten firearms ( thats a deliberately low figure ) and none of them have ever killed a person. But I have shot and killed people with guns issued to me by the U.S.government.

Trying to argue that " guns don't kill people people kill people " is a myth is like trying to argue the Earth is flat. Your argument is a failure before you start and you have not proven it a myth.

We really cannot say with great accuracy how bloody and murderous people were before the invention of gun powder but it is very clear that things were no better before guns and possibly even worse. Humans were slaughtering each other with any blunt or edged weapon you can imagine long before the first gun shot. Sure a firearm may work more effectively to kill but I doubt that mattered to the hundreds of thousands massacred by the aztecs. For that matter I doubt it made much of a difference to the Aztec priests who worked in shifts to murder tens of thousands at a time using edged weapons.

Guns may save lives by evening the balance so that the bigger guy who can carry all the armor and the bigger sword ( or club ) no longer has the advantage.

Sorry your OP is a massive fail it is not myth but fact.

 

I get it now. You're campaigning to get your own "Myth Busters" TV show down under.
Enjoy!

 

Yes but most people outside America do not have the same ideas about guns. There is a particular mindset that I believe has been inculcated by the NRA and armaments advertising

 

Most people live in inferior nations.

The mindset predates the NRA by decades and armaments advertising by a century and a half or so.

It goes back to the very begining of the nation or even before that.

 

then ban Quigely in your country

 

Proof???

Quite frankly I do disbelieve that - especially the "snort" idea of being from an "inferior" nation!!

 

Inferior nations? I don't even know what that means. I suppose there are inferior governments or inferior social systems but that would seem to be relative.

 

Speaking of culture, some years ago, after a series of racially motivated riots here, a good friend of mine, a senior constable with the NSW police, a member of the maritime rescue squad, and a flying officer with the RAAF, a good, solid citizen, suggested we should solve our racial problems the way that Aussies did with the Aborigines. Starve them out or shoot them, and he was not joking. So, where is your moral outrage at how your society deals with it's minority? The solution to your problem with all the "myths" polluting the internet is unplug and read a book.
Enjoy!