Israel to pay over $21 million to families of Mavi Marmara peace activitists

Who said that ? you ? I say they are exactly the same, they fit both videos and fit the pace of the events.

I see alot of ppl alive and well inside the ship armed with metal pipes and I see wounded ppl taken down from the lower deck - only IDF movie shows what went up there, your movie does not.

Where do you see that ?

The philipino guy ? lol why would you think he's an IDF soldier ? man they feed you so much BS at BDS and you eat it with such pleasure why would a special forces soldier in middle of a raid would sit next to a medic (?) having his scratch treated, and where did he get that neat red jacket ? maybe he was cold and asked for one so he wont catch a cold ! no sense at all, I remember seeing pictures of a soldier they did catch and he was all battered up covered with blood and oh yea.....he was in uniform...., that's not here because it doesnt fit your story ?

I would rather it ended in another way but responsibility lies at the orgenizers, not the army that kept the blockade and warned against trying to break it.

Unlike other wounded in your movie, that man was shot in the neck in order to kill, close range shot, what we would expect to see if that man charged a soldier like we see in IDF movie, now that man is young and serious looking very capable to fight, he also wears gloves, noticed that ? why would he wear gloves ???? could be his thing whic everyone know him for, like Ahmed "the gloves" mansur, either that or he had a use for these gloves, usually to have a better grip on something you dont want to slip in your hand.
After reviewing the evidance that man looks to me like a justified kill, if he stayed on the lower deck he would have survived it,. attacking armed soldiers will get you killed.

After you deny IDF movie because you feel like it I ereally dont think you can pop up "reports" to this debate.

Didnt see any but what of it ? you suggest IDF shot anything on sight ? dont you think there would be a bit more than 9 deaths that way ?

 

Atacking IDF with cold weapons is a bit pass anti semite remarks...

Did they whisper it like Hannibal lecter or was is a threat they are entering a war zone and better turn around ? - one makes sense the other is a bit too dramatic, better save such stories to BDS bonefire events.

Trying to break an army naval siege on a terror held city is serious stuff not some civil rights project, they didnt realize what they get themselves involved too, that's one of the radical leftie problems.

For one the fire was not "live" fire but non lethal, the activists movie cleary show both sides shot each other, it doesnt show who started the fire, you do not "fight for your life" on a paint ball gun.

 

Are you that thick? This is the whole point. There was no second helicopter during the first boarding. The videos are of different events. The second helicopter arrives 5 minutes after the first. The timeline video shows that two helicopters were together during the second and third boardings.

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At least Stuntman has the honesty to state that there are two ropes. Post 77 "In minute 41:40 you indeed see two ropes sliding down from the first helicopter,". You, on the other hand is delusional.

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You are delusional. Can you not notice the sound volume difference of the helicopter at 39:00 and 40:30.? A helicopter does not suddenly appear! The second drop occurs 5 minutes later, third drop one minute after the second drop, these two drops occurring when the camera crew are inside.

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Firstly, you really should look at some facts. There were at least 3 boardings, one boarding came five minutes after the first and the third boarding came one minute after the second as stated in the timeline video Stuntman posted. I think you and Star need to get better pc displays. Stuntman can see them as stated in post 77. You can even see two soldiers coming down both at the same height above the deck - do you think that one is floating in the air?

As for saying that the only difference is the ropes, well, yes, that is the evidence! The videos are not of the same event.

It is clear that the activists video shows the first boarding. The timeline video on post 71 shows the boardings but switches around the first and second boardings. The tied rope occurs during the second landing.

 

Regardless - what's in the Activists video that will justify a swarm attack on IDF soldiers ? nothing, all we see are ppl with weapons waiting in the lower deck for an assult that didnt come and wounded ppl coming from the upper deck - they very well been attacking IDF above, you have no idea and the only evidance we have is IDF movie, that and common sense of what happens in a provocation flotila when you add weapons.

 

No they aren't bud they are the same exact event, there was only one boarding with two helicopters, you have not provided any evidence to the contrary.

I see that there are two ropes in the first second as they are illuminated by the light in the helicopter as they are dropped but once they are dropped you can not see them against the blackness of the nights sky let alone which IDF soldier is using which rope.

No I can not notice any difference they may have been hovering above different points on the ship, the fact of the matter is that your video does not show a continuous shot of anything it is an obstructed shot that does not have a field of view covering the whole upper deck it proves absolutely nothing. Tell us again how these were actors staging the event, that was my favorite piece of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that you've spouted thus far.

 

"Regardless"? For what reason would the IDF have for releasing false information regarding the first two boardings? You have no evidence that the IDF from the first helicopter were attacked other than the false evidence submitted by the IDF, in which they successfully fooled you into believing that their amateurish, cut and paste video was of the first landing. To bad for the IDF that the smuggled activist video was released a few days later showing the real sequence of events.

 

Your video barely shows one boarding so spare us.

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They didn't, you're lying and have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever to back your accusations. The video you presented is of the exact same events depicted in the videos released by the IDF. Fail.

 

Perhaps you should argue this with your sides timeline video . You clearly have no clue

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Oh, so you were lying when you wrote "You can't even see the ropes in your video, try again." No surprise there. You must be blind too if you cannot see the two soldiers both at the same height above the ship. Perhaps you also think that one of them is floating.

 

I don't have to provide anything you provided a video that barely shows anything and certainly not the events of the drop or what was happening on the top deck. I love in this video where these jihadist pigs say "remember 9-11" in response to the Israelis offering to transfer the aid which was not on board that Jihadist ship to Gaza:

[video=youtube;z31GesVrBjc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z31GesVrBjc&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Oh we remember which is why your Islamic Imperialist filth is going to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing die.
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lol you can't see the ropes in your video except when they are dropped, the IDF video clearly has two ropes in it as well, your video proves jack and (*)(*)(*)(*), it barely captured one of the helicopter drops let alone two.

 

You're (*)(*)(*)(*)ing lying, the video provided by the IDF shows the first helicopter drop and your laughable obscured video with no nightvision does not show that the IDF video is fake in any way whatsoever. Tell us again how these were actors and the whole video provided by the IDF was staged, I need another good laugh.

 

Ill get to your rope claims later today and see if one can that decisive that its 2 diffrent heli's, for now all I hear is denial - no evidance to support your claims of massacre and self defense, you say we are lucky to have the activists movie "showing the real sequence of events" go on, tell us what's in that movie that shows the sequence of events.

I didnt see any IDF soldier in that movie, all I see are ppl hiding below and wounded carried once in a while.

 

So, you don't have to provide anything, but you then provide the very video I was talking about, and what you have provided states that there are three helicopters in the within 6 minutes, whereas you wrote "there was only one boarding with two helicopters" . Well done, you have just proved yourself wrong!

Really, so you think that it should be possible to see the ropes before they are dropped.? Oh dear, you are quite lost. Perhaps you should discuss this with stuntman who stated "but on the second rope only two soldiers slided down it". He has the honesty to admit that both ropes were used in the boarding. You, on the other hand is either a liar or delusional.

Shame for the IDF timeline video to put up a video falsely showing that the first rope was tied up before the second rope was dropped

 

They can be hardly seen, not enough to count seconds and judge by it, you are reaching for the ilogical and conspirecy nonesense instead of accepting what is plain to see, both video's are legit and complete each other, there is a clear view of the event, your only escape is conspirecy.

 

What are the evidance in your video that support an IDF slaughter and that those passengers were acting in self defense ? to say the IDF movie is from another boarding attempt does not support your story,

However, the wounded and the dead do support the IDF movie it is exactly what you expect to see if armed men swarm armed soldiers. the bloodbath story doesnt fit because there would hav ealot more dead that way, just assume what will happen if things happened the way you said, IDF started to kill ppl for fun when they came aboard - till what ? the mob had no option but attack them with axes and knives they just happen to prepare in advance ? then what? the 2nd group of soldiers already in "berserk" mode came abaord but DIDNT spray the entire deck resulting with DOZENS of dead - why ??, why so few dead in this bloodbath theory when IDF had complete control ?

MAKES NO SENSE !

 

What? The video does show each rope being dropped, being "hardly seen" is irrelevant. Perhaps you can explain why in the activists video we see soldiers use both ropes (as also seen by stuntman), but in the IDF timeline video at 10:08 we see one rope already tied before the second rope is dropped. If you have any credibility you will stick to facts not speculation about what is happening that we can't see

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Why are you changing the subject, the subject being whether the IDF video is showing the same boarding as the activist video?

What happens after the first boarding is just speculation.

 

I speculate because I didnt examine the videos to judge ropes and seconds, ill get to that at night when I have time, I dont think it matters to your narrative, it doesnt prove it yet you somehow use it to accuse Israel of muredr so I do want to get to the bottom of that claim if you can.

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I thought the subject was the responsibilty about the Marmara event and that the video's were evidance, when did it became about the video's ?

 

It came from my first post on this thread on page 1 post 8 stating that the two videos do not show the same event. I later went on to state something like "let us assume that the IDF video from the IDF boat is genuine for debating purposes" (not exact words).

I then went on to compare these videos with the IDF timeline video which states that, and shows video, that on the first boarding of soldiers, the first rope is tied before the second rope is dropped. As the activists video shows soldiers using both ropes then these videos cannot all be showing the same boarding.

 

The comentary in the video says that the soldiers start to slide down at 04:32 AM, while in your video, the cameraman did not say anything about the time when the soldiers started to slide down. Hence, it does not contradict anything.

Your video does not indicate what was the time of the first soldier began to slide down the rope, while the video I posted peovide the exact hour of the sliding. Therefore, your video does not contradict what was been told in the video I posted, since your video does not made a timle of the incident- the cameraman did not say what was the time of the first soldier that slided down the rope.

 

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that the activist video shows one rope dropped one second after the second rope dropped and you saw that two soldiers were using that second rope but your Timeline video (post 71 at 10:09) shows one rope already tied up before the second rope leaves the helicopter.?

 

Israel will never succumb to your support for Islamic terrorism. They will continue to slaughter the terrorists and there is nothing you can do or say to change that. We know you support Hamas firing rockets from hospitals and schools to kill innocent Israelis, but spewing hatred like that doesn't solve anything.

 

Well, that's going to come as a big surprise for the dozens of countries that have already recognized the State of Palestine. How long do you plan to keep that information as secret?

 

I'm not ignoring anything, but only respond about what I can see in the videos.

Yes, I said that it seems to be that soldiers using the second rope, but the visibility of the rope is lacking on the video. However I found a short video, not of the IDF, but from one of the men that were on the Marmara's roof, while the soldiers slided down from the helicopter.
[video=youtube;ta7HMThaRKg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta7HMThaRKg[/video]

You can see it from minute 0:12 until 0:30, and there you can find only one rope that assist the soldiers come down it. The second rope that the allegedly used, according to you from the video you posted, is no where to be found.
The video is shaky but still, with all of that which came from the mayhem, you cant identify the second rope which the soldiers came down from, or even see soldiers slide down a second one- only from one rope.

Also Fatima Muhammadi, a photographer on the Mavi Marmara which took shots of the helicopter , said that the helicopter came back and dropped two ropes so the commenders in cheif could come on the ship.

 

Yes... I saw the most ridiculous low level quality video tape of the IDF... that it reminds me of gimps making an UFO vid. The autopsy reports, where a bunch of people got shot all over, from front to back, and a bullet hole in the head... tells a real story about massacring and executing ppl.

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And the apology = admit guilt

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Nope. I can't say they do.
Except when they stick a knife in the neck of an Israeli Jew...
but thats an entire different thing

 

For which said terrorist loses (*)(*)(*)(*)ing worthless life, and his/her family loses their house.

Keep up the good work