Israel to pay over $21 million to families of Mavi Marmara peace activitists

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Yes, could you explain the economic there. A slave gives his master $200 then works for two months to make some furniture which he sells to his master for $150 as one of the masters friends needs his commission. Meanwhile the slave worked for two months and ends up worse off by $50.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You gave me the benefit of doubt even though I posted a picture showing two soldiers using the two ropes? Do you think that one of them is floating?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I can explain. Say, you want to buy $40,000 car but you have no $40,000. You go to a car dealership who arranges with bank to give you a loan of $40,000. Car dealership gets their money and passes it along to the car manufacturer while keeping their margin; you get the car and repay the bank over the number of years. Everyone is happy, especially the folks who make the car.

    What is there not to understand?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    (*)(*)(*)(*)ing "A" to Israel for gaining an edge over Islamic terrorists by any which way they can! :thumbsup:
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Boy, pointing out all the One liners in which you've been
    would not be a suggestion,.........it would be a life sentence.

    The fact that you've even pondered the different different degrees by which you've either been deceitful or plan to be "deceitful" speaks volumes by itself.

    I figured it would take less time just for you to display the following chart for the edification of your curious readers to the degree in each of your clever, little "One Liners" is "deceitful":

    1.
    = 5 Points

    2. "kinda deceitful" = 4 Points

    3. "kinda, sorta deceitful" = 3 Points

    4. " justa little deceitful" = 2 Points

    5. "just plain deceitful" = 1 Point


    Please remember, that I'm just here to help.

    & Sleep Well......
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Oh yes, I understand

    Israel pays no money, Israel gives his friends commission, slaves get net nothing for working. Israel gets free goods.

    Or in other words

    Master pays no money, master gives his friends commission, slaves get nothing for working. Master gets free goods.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish I had your time on my hands :wall:
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So..........

    If you buy a car with bank credit, you pay no money? WTF pays it then? I don't get it. Tell me where you do your banking?
     
  9. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Economics is obviously not your strong point!
    The bank doesn't give me money to use to pay back the money I borrowed from them. The slaves work for no net gain to produce the goods that the master gets for no outlay
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes it does, happens all the time.

    What's the matter with you? :roflol:
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    What are you on about? So I owe this bank $1000 and I then go to that bank and say, can I borrow $1000 to pay back the $1000 I owe you. Are you stupid? Economics is not your strong point!

    Meanwhile the slaves continue making goods to give their Master for no pay.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "BINGO! RE: "...loans not actually required to be repaid."







    It sounds like you've already figured out the basics of "Ziono-nomics".

    Meanwhile, you'll never get an honest answer about "Aid to Israel" from any of their paid shills deployed to the US to extract more "Aid to Israel" & attempt to excuse blatant Zionist Genocide in historic Palestine.

    Never has any foreign country cost loyal Americans more blood & resources than the parasitic State of Israel.

    The traitorous Israeli-American, "Dual-Citizens" that infect the US include swarms of "Israel-Firsters" in US Congress and are loyal only to Israel.

    The mutilated, burned, mangled & traumatized young Americans sent by AIPAC's gaggle of congressional Hirelings to fight for Israeli Regional Hegemony[1] currently languish in the halls of our under-staffed, under-funded V.A. Hospitals waiting, sometimes months, for artificial limbs.

    At the same time, America's infestation of Zionist Shills & parasites consider it more important to ensure that the Zionist State stay saturated with US tax money & the most effective Weaponry that can be extracted or stolen from the Americans who either designed and / or funded it.


    The following source should help clarify how "US Loans to Israel" are really just more "Free Money"


    “U.S. Government Pledges $3.8 Billion In Loan Guarantees To Israel”
    http://imemc.org/article/62899/

    EXCERPT “Reporter Richard Curtiss, with the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, pointed out in an article on U.S. loan guarantees to Israel that these loans, made by international financial institutions and backed by the U.S. Treasury, are not actually required to be repaid.

    Curtiss writes, “Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants.”

    He continues, “On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans.

    In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury.”CONTINUED



    Additional Factors:

    1. “‘Our relationship to Israel causes dead Americans and enormous expense in fighting Muslims”
    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/relationship-americans-fighting#sthash.MMxY3uNF.dpuf

    EXCERPT “A lot of people are passing around this amazing testimony before Congress two weeks back by former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, in which he says that the reason that Muslims want to become jihadis is not who we are but our foreign policy.

    Americans need to have a debate at last about whether supporting Israel is essential to US security, or having troops in Muslim countries is essential, or supporting Saudi Arabia is essential, Scheuer argues. If the people want to believe that, “fine.” But they should know that “costs come with that.”



    2. “Increasing Israel Aid, Cutting Everything Else”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/increasing-israel-aid-cut_b_1525016.html
    EXCERPT “Actually it is hard to use the word aid about an annual multi-billion dollar gift that goes directly to the Israeli military. That word suggests that the recipient is needy, which the Israeli military most certainly isn't. (Virtually all our aid to Israel is military).CONTINUED


    3. “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3(*)Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/
    EXCERPT “ While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED


    {This article outlines some of the many ways in which Zionist lobbies & and America's infestation of "Israel-Firsters" extract $ Trillions for a country with a per capita GDP of over $26,000-. Egypt's per capita GDP is around $ 6,000-}

    4. “Israel as financial parasite: the staggering cost to Americans”
    http://www.sott.net/article/260462-Israel-as-financial-parasite-the-staggering-cost-to-Americans

    EXCERPT “When Israel attempted to sink a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Liberty , in 1967, killing 34 Americans and injuring over 170, it still failed to put a dent in aid to Israel. Indeed, aid quadrupled the following year.CONTINUED



    Then, when you factor in Israel's theft of US Secrets, sale of them to China etc, and 60 years of False Flag massacres & betrayals, loyal Americans are stuck dying for & bankrolling The Back Stabbing Ally-from-Hell:

    CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines - Evidence shows Israel is Guilty!
    http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/M.Ar.ine_csi_forensics_proves_who_killed.htm

    
By Ralph Forbes
    General Kelly
    EXCERPT “The Beirut bombing that killed 241 U.S. Marines was "the largest non-nuclear explosion in history," according to General Paul X. Kelley, past-Commandant of the Marine Corps.” CONTINUED


    THANKS









    [1] “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. SUN JAN. ’03
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sounds like the classic "ZOG" anti-Semitic conspiracy theory
     
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    Quite so as far as Israel and the Israeli military are concerned. The technology transfer is not something the government of Israel could do any more than any other country. It is American Jews, working as agents for Israel that accomplish the transfer of industrial, information and military technology. Much of this is legal but more of it is espionage than most Americans feel comfortable talking about.

    Israel also has a history of re-selling pieces of this technology to third countries which can not acquire it on their own. Israel is America's best friend when it suits Israel's interests. Israel is just an independent nation when that suits it best and in the rare cases of things like the USS Liberty attack, Israel is quite willing to attack American ships and kill America sailors when it suits their designs. No one ever asks what America gets out of all this international Jewish activity. Do you have any ideas?
     
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    Yes the benefit of the doubt, because the left picture that you posted is not according the right picture you posted just beside the left one. I mean, the right picture you posted, which there you can see the first helicipter's arrivel, is shows two ropes indeed, but the first one that was tied up, was tied up to the antenna of the Marmara by the activists, and was never been used by the soldiers because it got tied up. if we will follow your logic regarding the left picture you posted in post #137 (even though in this picture you cant see entirly two ropes, and that's why the benefit of the doubt), then we will understand that the helicopter in the left picture is not the same helicopter of the right picture, which the soldiers there used only one rope, but another helicopter.

    BTW- I posted a video of a man that was on the roof of the Marmara when the soldiers came down the helicopter, and it shows there only one rope, but yet I got your reference to that video.
     
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    Of course it is not! That is the whole point. The left picture is from the activists video, the right picture is from the IDF video. The very same videos that your side have been saying are of the same helicopter. The photo on the left showing two ropes that your side refused to see.

    At last! After 150+ posts someone has finally acknowledged that the videos do not show the same boarding. So much for your lot saying, "yes they show the same boarding ,"," There is not a second rope in the activists video", "the second rope was tied after two soldiers came down", "video is not clear enough to show any other ropes" and all the other excuses in order to continue your belief that the two videos show the same boarding.

    Each of the boardings had a commander in the group. Now where is your proof that the activists video is not of the first helicopter? How would Fatima Mahmmudi know that a different helicopter used two ropes unless she was there, so are you stating that she stayed on the landing deck while the IDF were landing all around her from the other helicopters? Or perhaps more likely that she was there during the first landing and saw that two ropes were used during the first landing.

    Ps why did you remove "and accoridng to Fatima Mahmmudi, a photographer in the Mavi Marmara that took photos of the helicopter, this "another helicopter" used two ropes. " from your post? Is it because it points to her being at the first helicopter landing?
     
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    This is with the benefit of the doubt, because in your video there is no visibility of the second rope because of the darkness.

    it is not excuses, but what we can see from your video. And accodring to your video the second rope cant be seen in it, becuase of the black darkness. Hence, the video is not clear enough to shoe any other ropes, and that's why your claims for the second rope odd because the video is not showing a second rope.

    Fatima said that when the helicopter came bak it dropped two ropes. Hence, only the second helicopter used two ropes. And she can knew it even if she was on the lower dack of the ship. Like the footages of Culture Of Rasistance made from the lower deck.

    What? I already wrote about Fatima in my earlier posts, ,and until now I didnt get a reply to it, so your speculation is valid, since I already wrote about Fatima Mahmmudi and didnt removed it from my posts. I just waited for your response about Fatima, and several posts from my first post that included what Fatima said I got the reply to it.
     
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    What is a "ZOG" anti-Semitic conspiracy theory? And how was what Grau posted anti-Semitic or a conspiracy theory?

    This is funny, really.
     
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    the bigoted belief that the Jews control the USA

    its a common belief amongst Nazis and Islamists.
     
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    Is it always bigoted or is it ever based on fact?
     
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    as all Jews know, its a bigoted lie
     
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    You accused Grau of this. How was what Grau posted anti-Semitic or a conspiracy theory?
     
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    did you read his post?

    its full of anti-Semitic conspiracy theory
     
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    You are just labeling. You again have provided no substance to your claim.
     
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    Why do you start with premise "I owe bank $1,000'? If I did what you describe in your scenario, I'd be stupid indeed :roflol:
     
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