Germany Admits It Owes Greece 278.7 Billion Dollars

Oops! A reversal of fortunes ...maybe! After all the trickery, denials,backing out etc., Spiegel for the first time admitted after seeing all the papers that Germany owes Greece 278.7 billion in reparations for WWII... which is great since it will help them pay off their debt.

Whenever reparations were mentioned the Germans would burst out laughing, as they came out with one excuse after the other. If they couldn't pay at first because Germany wasn't united, later on the excuse was that too much time had passed. Anyway now they will be
able to sue for reparations unless it can be solved through diplomatic channels.

For the first time the German press admits that Germany owes EUR 278.7 billion to Greece as war reparations from the Occupation and WWII, and that Greece can take legal action to assert them.​

http://www.pronews.gr/portal/201608...da-mporei-pleon-na-diekdikisei-nomika-ta-2787

 

I think that you are being dishonest. Your article claims that Der Spiegel claims owes 278 billion euros to Greece. Der Spiegel itself claims that a Greek newspaper Greece claims that Germany owes it money based on a report compiled by the Greek Finance Ministry.

Nowhere in the Der Spiegel article does Der Spiegel claim that Germany owes Greece as much as a drachma.

Source: http://www.spiegel.de/international...wes-billions-in-war-reparations-a-893084.html

 

I picked it up from the Greekpronews, but the one you posted from Speigel goes back to April, 2013, so this is probably something new. I don't think the writer misinterpreted it to that extent. The situation in the EU has changed a great deal since then, also there might be pressure from Washington considering what's going on now with Turkstream.

An agreement was signed yesterday between Turkey and Russia for Russian gas to go into Central and Southern Europe through Turkey and Greece... and not through the American pipeline.

We will have to wait and see as to the accuracy of the report. The truth is though, that Germany doesn't want to pay its debts. Italy and Bulgaria did.

 

Too much time has passed? That's rich coming from a country that is still jailing convicted Holocaust perpetrators.

 

Greece about to go broke...

Greek bailout talks break down again
Wednesday 24th May, 2017 - Hopes for a breakthrough in bailout negotiations for cash-strapped Greece have been dashed again and another deadline has been set.

 

those Orthodox Turks are the eternal bums ...


ps
"Greek Woman Kicking Roma Girl "

 

Litwo... Please don't use Turks in the same sentence with siesta lovers even though it is true that they are nothing but Orthodox Turks

 

One word answer? NONSENSE!

This was still topic 2 years ago and any German authority laughs about this nonsense simply! Reversed, without Germany, Greece would be still bankrupt and thrown out of the EU with having back their old toy currency!

This failed populist in Athens will take care not to make any demands here ...
Just because the Greek governments of the last 50 years were all incompetent, corrupt idiots, paid completely overpaid salaries and had no functioning tax offices (we remember tax on swimming pools can not be digested because no one can control who in Athens, for example? Well ... how about taking simply Google Earth to check came as an "idea" from Germany!) ... are the payers now the bad Germans for allegedly not paid reparation payments.

Not that I deny any crimes of Nazis done in WW-2 in Greece or so ... but we can open a counter calculation maybe? I believe Greece will then beg to be the 17th state of Germany after it!

 

I thought there'd been a legal settlement of the debts some years ago? I recall the Germans saying that it had all been settled. Just an attempt at bargaining by the Greeks, I suppose.

 

Correct ... Only the lousy attempt at an idiotic challenge because Greece is still dependent on the donors including Germany to survive.

 

Settled as Greek government agreed on selling out tons of many things including poor Greeks.

 

Why would Germany bail out Greece? It's not their problem. Greece has to pay what it owes. Period. Hard working Germans are not responsible of paying for poor Greeks' debts.

 

I'm not really up on this topic, but much of the debt probably arises from the decision to join the Euro, preventing the devaluations which would have helped the country. I recall that Greece didn't meet the criteria for joining the common currency but was allowed to do so anyway, so some of the blame must lie with the EU authorities as well.

Not saying that the Greeks are not corrupt, though.....

 

Because the EU is in itself a community and the EU members who have the EUR as currency are once again a separate community in themselves.
And because our glorious governments in Europe have simply failed in the introduction of the euro when they bought the Greeks their "under 3% state deficit" to let them in ... when everyone with some brain knew that this was a lie.
To be involved and blinded means to bear responsibility for it, too, and Germany bears this responsibility together with the others. This is also understood by the majority of Germans and, after the evil awakening, all also stand to the justified demands on Greece, which also includes the aid.

 

Correct ...

 

Not some... Almost everything about Greece suffering from corruption violence and poverty is because of EU's globalist imperial desires to reach to the Aegean. They used and tried to rob the poor people of Greece, then sh.it got serious and IMF buildings terrorized by Greek terrorists. Germany is the only country in the EU that has surplus not deficit, meaning that they are the only ones that benefit in the entire EU. The rest, Britain, France, Italy, Spain are all unhappy.

 

That Greek article you used quotes a German speaking Spiegel article which is this here (German language skills needed).
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/so...liarden-euro-einklagen-koennte-a-1107034.html

This article from Aug. 2016 says there is a report published by several members of the Greek parliament in which these members explain how Greece could (modal verb!) sue Germany for what the authors of said report consider reparations that should be paid back.
It has nothing to do with what you claim ('Germany admits ...').

I have no idea why so many people on this forum are so eager to push a certain agenda by distorting facts so stupidly.

 

I think Germany has all the rights to take its cash out of the pockets of whoever the hell owes them. Shake'em all down till the last penny they got because this is not some sort of a Chinese all you can eat open buffet deal. Pay as you eat.

 

EU wants Greece dead. They are like vampires sucking human blood, using and abusing countries and innocent people. No good.

 

Fake News.

Greece is applying for yet another bailout.
It's IMF bailout is dependent on it's creditors writing off the debt.
And the EU bailout is dependent on the EU actually voting to give one. With Germany as the most likely centre of opposition in the EU for that vote.

Greece owes Germany money, and not the other way round.
Greece also owes just about everyone else money too.

Still in crisis, still looking to borrow more.

 

Because this is the way how Propaganda works in general ... and as you wrote, many in forum here do this many times and strange is that this is done more by these so called "Anti-West / EU / NATO / USA" persons as reversed.

Remember the thread about the Leopard 2 losses of Turkish Army? This was an excellent example for this rubbish...

Target:
The German Leopard 2 battle tank, most used Western tank in matter of countries using it (older tanks from decades ago still in use aside) and so in NATO most used thank too and so automatically a target for the West haters...

What happened?
Among many others, Turkey use the Leopard 2 too, but in the old 1985 A4 version.Turkey lost some Leopard 2A4 to AT weapons during a ground war raid in Syria.

Conclusion of the Anti-West Propaganda trolls:
The Leopard 2 is crap and so inferior to all what Russia has etc. ...

Reality:
Of course ... and how should it be otherwise ... no one who followed this nonsense asked or investigated for the circumstances of the losses. If they would have done, any "minor half-knowledge expert" would have seen 3 facts:
1. The Turks used them stupidity as stationary weapons, what makes any tank in the world a "sitting duck target"
2. They were destroyed from behind and above, where all tanks in the world are vulnerable and because used as stationary weapons, very easy to aim and kill this way with any AT weapon in the world if not ancient stuff!
3. The Turks use the 30 years old A4 model of the Leopard which is not even comparable to the current used versions of A6, A6M and A7. This is a comparison like saying the M1A2 is crap, because someone destroyed the old basic version of the M1 from 1985 who had the 105mm gun before the A1 version with the 120mm gun (from the leopard btw...) came. Not to forget to say that some of the hits which were deadly for the A4, would not have been deadly for the current versions.

 

Wrong!
Greece caused serious trouble and needs the EU to survive to prevent bankruptcy of the complete country and so has to follow the rules told ...even the rules are hard of course and I do not tell all are good!
Who makes crap has to take the consequences ... even it hits as usual the little man and not those who are really responsible for the crap!

 

Greece is a wreck and needs to be allowed to fail.

 

Dangerous ...
At least it is rarely really comparable to say, but the EU should be something like the USA with a Federation of states (countries). OK, reality is something different, and it is more a dream of some trolls with their forced marriage politics to get this, but in many important points the EU is at least comparable.

So we have fact that Greece is a wreck since the crises of 2008 and no one denies this and even only trolls deny the reasons for it.
To let them fail and fall what means at least to kick them out of EUR for sure and most probably out of the EU too.
Ok, some EU haters will cheer about ... I know .. but these trolls aside ... shall the USA handle the American state wreck of Mississippi the same way?

 

No. Greece has been a wreck since forever.

What happened in 2008 is that everyone got sick of bailing it out and stopped/reduced it's daily bailouts.


The EU has proposed a new law that will allow Greece to be permanently bailed out. Constantly subsidised via the EU and not via it's member countries directly.
But creditor nations in the EU are unlikely to go along with this.

A civil war was required in America to convince the populous of federalisation.
They didn't agree it.