This is how the US military would put down an armed rebellion

Yet, you support Hillary Clinton?

 

Yes, now, imagine 1/2 to 2/3 of it including most of it's senior NCOs and it's most experienced officers fighting along side the revolutionaries because that is your reality. Our military is sworn to defend the constitution not the government or the president.

 

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So, you are saying that people with real courage would just lay flat on their backs and say "Thank you for stepping on me, master? "

 

And just imagine how effective all that power is when we apply it so forcefully in an unconventional war with untrained amateurs! Being mighty instantly overcomes those puny peasants who have no air force, no carriers, no navy; just those little rifles and cut-rate home-made explosives. We certainly showed them in Vietnam, didn't we?

 

Yes, hold on to that particular dream.

Perhaps, if you're worried about your house, you should stop agitating for violence.

BTW...if you have doubts about the military response...check Kent State and Wounded Knee. Oh, that life insurance policy, probably want to cancel that. Not payable once you join the insurrection.

 

Please, dream on. I'm sure 1/2 to 2/3 of the Chinese military turned on their leaders in 1989, Those National Guardsmen at Kent State were firing on each other and missed, and David Koresh is still alive banging little girls in the heart of Texas.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

That's what soldiers do. That's why they went to Iraq even when they didn't agree.

So, you take up arms. You start killing police. You start killing government workers. Make your "righteous" claims now because it, and you will be over not long after you start.

 

Yes we did, after the 68 tet offensive the war was essentially a battle between US and NVA regulars in which we gained most of our objectives and with signing of the Paris peace accords with drew from the country. Six months later in a display of naked force North Vietnam reopened hostilities and over whelmed the out matched and unsupported ARVN forces. The lesson of Viet Nam has nothing to do with exit strategies and everything to do with residual forces.

 

Yes absolutely nothing has changed since Kent state.

 

Well- losers always have an excuse, and it's never their fault. Of course, in the end, they still lose. Honorable and strong people do not need to control others, and they don't abuse others. Weak people may become dictators who live in fear and feel compelled to control others, and may get by with it for many generations- but in the end, they are still losers, they only last as long as the people tolerating them remain weak and submissive. It's not the strong and honorable people who initiate violence, and you should not fear them at all. You should be watching the jackals and hyenas; the ones who have no moral compass or values.

As Thomas Jefferson is quoted- "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

An honorable government has absolutely no reason to fear the people. That is where their support and true strength would come from- but that is a condition that must be earned, and it is totally within their power to do so, IF the will to be honorable exists. Therein lies the problem.

According to a pair of recent polls, for the first time since the 9/11 terrorist hijackings, Americans are more fearful their government will abuse constitutional liberties than fail to keep citizens safe.
Another recent poll showed that only 13% of Americans said government can be trusted to do the right thing most of the time.

Of course, there will always be those that are so intimidated by power that they will give up everything to appease it. They aren't losers of course, you can't lose what you never had the courage to claim what was yours.

 

With respect to the OP, what are your feelings on an armed uprising if Hillary is elected?

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I think your definition of courage and mine differ greatly. You consider the election of Hillary as a justifiable reason for armed rebellion?

 

No- I think it extends the justifiable reason for major political reform, and legislation that requires honorable conduct in order to keep your office.

An honorable government does not need to fear the people, and if it does not intend to abuse it's power, it has no reason to disarm and dis-empower the people.

Honor is a wonderful thing- when you are working with honorable people. When you find yourself forced to work with people who have no moral compass, you had better be prepared to protect your own rights because such people live their lives thinking only as adversaries- and that means that in order for them to win, you have to lose. It's how they think.

 

If Hillary wins it will be the left taking to the streets when she's impeached.

 

!st let's understand something here, we are the Military. It's officer corps and and senior NCO's and no small percentage of its EM's are drawn from people just like us. This idea that this army is going to fire on a general uprising of it's fellow citizens is ludicrous. The officer corps during the Civil War split almost right down the center. It is even less finely divided today. The only point of my prior post to you was that the Vietnam war is an extremely poor choice for example.

 

No, you aren't. You are playing military.

No, they aren't. The American military has a splendid record of loyalty to the US and not being traitors.

The idea that there is going to be a general uprising is ludicrous. But if a small traitorous minority pick up arms against their country, the army will defend their country and democracy, and gun down such homegrown terrorists.

 

Obviously you know nothing about the Make up of the US army currently.

 

The U.S. Military would NEVER get involved with suppressing the people of the United States.

I know this to be a fact.

AA

 

Actually, I have a pretty good idea and the majority of them are loyal democracy-loving Americans who would never betray their own country. They have a sense of honor, loyalty and fundamental decency and would never side with the terrorists.

It is you who are under the delusion that the army is full of terrorists willing to betray American democracy and take up arms against their own people. This ain't Nazi Germany and that's the way Americans like it.

 

You and I disagree about what amounts to a terrorist. By the way Posse comitas prohibits the use of the military with the borders of the US. By the way only a general uprising would justify the call up of the US military, as anything else could be handled by the local cops reinforced by the FBI and BATF.

 

I use the dictionary definition, rather than trying to sugar-coat terrorism performed in the name a political cause I favor. If you support terrorism, own it. Don't try to redefine English to hide your support.

Of course. And there will be no general uprising.

 

I always find this logic odd, when the entire 2nd half of the 20th century was filled with conventional armies being pushed out by poor people with rifles.

There is simply zero logic in being an occupying force if you have no clear cut gains that are short term.

The irony being that logic has only been regurgitated in America because they want to disarm citizens, PRECISELY because they know, "the entire 2nd half of the 20th century was filled with conventional armies being pushed out by poor people with rifles."

 

What?

Do you mean when the soviet union, the US, and/or china shipped arms to insurgents in some country or another? Is that the ridiculous basis of that post? Seriously?

So, you guys take up your arms.
Your arms source including guns and ammunition will be shut down immediately. Guns but no bullets.

Your next door neighbors, friends and relatives are going to call the authorities to identify you.

Going to try to hide in the "jungle?" Your not Eric Rudolph and, btw, they got him too.

China going to smuggle you arms? Russia? Mexico? ISIS?

Please. You are invited to try. Clinton will immediately solve much of the gun problem, drastically lower unemployment, and reduce SS and medicare expense in one short week.

 

Can you answer the question without further tinfoil hat conspiracies?

 

I have answered your questions, the fact you can't accept my answers make the tin foil hat YOURS.

 

Not yet anyway. I would argue that a government that tries to disarm it's own citizenry against the will of those citizens is engaged in an act of terror.

 

LOL. Come get them and see.