China tells Small hands Rump that , if he wants a trade war they will oblige

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The projection is spectacular!
     
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    I'm an old guy. I understand and enjoy studying history. You could be entirely correct in your projections. However, you may not. There are many things that come to play here. Mr. Trump could be a Hitler, or an FDR, or somewhere in between. One thing he is not, is a republican. He is a businessman who likes to cut deals. This could also be either good or bad. Even though he has surrounded himself with right wingers, that could possibly change. He also wants to be popular, which explains his hatred for Saturday Night Live.
    The super right wing are also not republicans. They are in the republican party simply because they could not survive as a third party.
    If Trump changes course, the super right will go in the attack mode, and Trump will crush them. It is again entirely possible for the republican party to split to more moderation. This leaves the super right with no place to go.
    Another thing which will be interesting, is if they try to establish a Muslim registry. If that happens, we will see who the real Christians are in this country, and who are the fakes.
    That act in itself will show who the real people are who believe in religious freedom.
    So on this day when we celebrate the birth of a brown skinned Palestinian Jew, I wish you a Merry Christmas & joy to you and yours. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Not knowing that your supporting a tyrant and a hater driven Psychopath is a hell of a lot worse.
     
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    Good grief I'm talking to a wall, people are taxed higher with income of $250,000.00 a household to pay for Obama care. The point is the burden is on them. but me having to explain this shows how little the hate party knows about subjects they claim to be experts on.
     
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    With its neo-bourgeois population and booming economy, China is much of a bigger market than the US. They're going past the phase when they manufacture cheap goods to go to the one where they actually consume these goods.

    The US didn't kill Cuba economically, despite the decades that the embargo lasted. Do you really think it will work with China?
     
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    Their economy is booming due to their trade with the US and Europe, restrict their access to the US market and their economy will collapse. As far as their "neo-bourgeois" population is concerned, their per capita income is still 1/10th of the US.

    This is nice but useless, given that the Chinese are smart enough to buy "made in China", while we are stupid enough to buy "made in China". What do you think is causing this enormous and growing trade deficit? We buy their stuff and they DON'T buy ours.

    The goal is to resuscitate the US economy and make is work for all Americans, not just the top 1%, not kill the Chinese one. Yes, this can work.
     
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    Same with the liars war, some people think like that, just because the two companies that gained the most out of the war and had the largest amount of no bid contracts was subsidiary's of Carlye Company in Halliburtan, gee why would anyone think that way. It was obviously coincidental and anyone that thinks different are communists.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :roflol:

    Thank you for responding! Merry Christmas.

    LOL!
     
  9. jbander

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    Not so in fact the opposite, they call int the debt and this country has massive problems if we don't guarantee our debt. You people have no clue about economics and you come in here like experts on everything. The reason we can sell the amount of debt we do and the reason that it is literally used for compensation in trade between countries even other then ours is because it is that secure. But if you blind stupid people think we have them over the barrel.
     
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    Yes and I was one of the people that thought it would be a Democratic win. but that didn't happen but what did happen is the right got enough haters to vote for a hate candidate, then I got the slam dunk finding out that the haters had a electorate vote majority also.So they are proud of themselves for what , well lets look at what , they voted in a hate candidate that is psychopathic and put him next to the little red button that can destroy us all. Then they are happy that he is now in charge and is president , the most important seat in the world. That seat effect hundred of millions of people and can make and break countries and people and the man that the hate party put in that position is a hateful evil person who cares absolutely about nobody but himself. So if you aren't him , you are in trouble like the rest of the world. Most of his supporter are simply driven by just plain old fashion hate, so this is definitely their man and it will be very impossible to get to these haters with logic. The best situation for many will be to deal with them at the same level of hate that they operate on. This will work to a point. I would ask the progressives to take this position if you possibly can because the fact is , they are the most dangerous and threatening group against this country and it's values, there is no bigger threat. The haters will love this guys hate driven moves and you can just scratch your head and think it will get better by itself or better as time goes on but I'm telling you it won't and you better buckle up and take a hard position against this enemy of this country. I know many of you think this is overkill and even some of the good guys think I'm going in the wrong direction but I do believe as time goes by and this insanity progresses, as I'm sure it will, many of you will come around to my way of thinking.
     
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    No but the right was telling us just weeks ago what a big threat Russia was. You clowns.
     
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    No one will come around to your way of thinking. It's exactly what's wrong with this country, and exactly why YOU lost.
     
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    Ok Jimmy Carter. Let's see how your second term works out for ya :)
     
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    So tired of seeing the header: small hands rump. Chinas wealthiest, most influential businessmen are positioning themselves in US markets, and investing in US based mfg. to avoid being brought to their knees by tariffs. Trump will lay down the gauntlet and the world will again understand that America has no rival.
     
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    Good comment, I'm old also and do also enjoy studying this great country, it's politics and economics. This country is a Miracle historically and capitalism is the only way but all level of conscience can exist in capitalism to the point that many Right wing economists through the years have said that it should never be judged at all by conscience that capitalism works outside of of right and wrong, and only should be judged by the bottom line. At this time we are controlled by people who believe this way, mostly on the right but also many progressives also. Adam Smith said in 1776 that at times wages aren't controlled by the market but by business setting wages and he perceived this negatively as I do. We are at one of those periods now. That and tax structure have made it so no one other then the golden few have gained anything as far as the increased wealth of this country , which has been massive. All of it has gone to the top for 35 years. This is what the right wants for this country. This is the warning, capitalism will not function without the incentive that has been totally taken away for the last 35 years. Capitalism will not exist without the promise of a brighter future . Income has stayed at the same amount for those 35 years other then the golden few who have gained massive wealth during that period. This won't continue to work. This increased wealth for the few is not earned , deserved or needed. With out a increase in wages in the last 35 years have come with massive increased debt , so every week people have less and less because of debt to pay for food on the table and a roof over their families head. The worst part is the poorer people are the more likely debt will be in the form of credit cards , the absolute worse scenario.
    You pointed out a few things about our new president that you hold hope in, I don't agree at all ,first he is mentally unstable and the right parked him next to the little red button that can destroy man kind, which is insanity to the Highest degree. Secondly he is put in a seat that effects more people in the world than any other seat and this man is a cruel evil person who only cares about himself ,not even his own family. Just himself. There is no way anyone can convince me that he gives a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) about this country and its population. He can't in no way get past himself. That will never work.
     
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    You're inside out. The minority are in the leadership because they have money. They are what's left of the old Rockefeller Republicans, and the Neocons. The Neocons are ex Scoop Jackson Democrats. Neither is notably conservative. The Rocks used to be deficit hawks but they've largely given up on that and are in it for the power trip. The Neocons are also pretty much a single issue block and that issue is the military. That's pretty much why they left the Democratic party in the first place. They are an increasingly small and increasingly geriatric group both in age and outlook. They, like Hillary Clinton have had their swan song, but like hillary theyy won't admit it to themselves yet..
     
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    I shall address your last paragraph first. If one has an area where there are too many ducks, there comes a point in time where things are so ducked up, it is not possible to unduck it. We may have passed that point. America could be in for great times or anarchy. There are many rich power players behind the curtain for both the democrats & republican parties. This has always been problematic, but now, from all I can tell, we have a nationalistic, loose cannon. At least that is a distinct possibility.

    Your first paragraph is pretty much spot on. The working poor is increasing, it includes all races, and it is shameful. Like the Pope stated, trickle down is supposed to work like this.....Once the cup is full, any excess flows down to the poorer working class. But, sadly, this is how it works......Once the cup is full, the upper select few gets a bigger cup.
    Companies that bring jobs in with a wage less than $15 an hour should not get any federal, state, or municipal tax breaks. They are only creating more working poor. Just my opinion.
    Sorry for getting off topic, but as an old guy, that's going to happen from time to time. ;) Thanks for posting.
     
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    I hope he does have a trade war with China, in fact I hope he puts together a plan to stop all trade to China like we had with Cuba, love it. Because this country knowing that this was done to to accommodate a psychopaths whims and his insanity and not done for any other reason will be another ***** in the armor of Small Hands Rump. Then add in our biggest export market lost , with it's lost jobs which I can tell you exactly how many ( 8,144,492.343611607 lost jobs) and the increase in cost of living in this country and the rebuffs to this psychopath throwing him further over the edge and more and more people are going to realize what a horrible mistake he was for this country, Small Hands Rump and his clown party are the biggest threat to this country that we have and more and more people will realize this and the title stupid will fill the air more and more to the goof balls that elected him. so great let it happen. Other then the haters that will support anything this psychopath does, this China deal will be seen exactly as it is, a nutso insane ridiculous act to pacify a madman and his puppets. Do you really think this country will get behind this psychopath on this destructive stupid ego filling insanity, just for a whim of a psychopath.
     
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    I'll show you mindless, the fact that the two biggest financial gainers in the war just happens to be the two companies directly associated with Bush the baby killer and Cheney the idiot. Armymistake somehow finds funny and meaning nothing.
     
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    Where does this crazy idea come from that you think this country will get behind this stupid, ridiculous, ego quenching, pathological , insane idea that will be done for no reason, that will take away many millions of jobs and lowering of this countries populations standard of living . We import $3759.39 per household from china. the increase in the cost of that $3759.39 per household will be noticed . and you have to remember there is and was no reason for this. just a insane man buffing up his ego. Dumb dumb dumb. The hate party will lose big time on this. Everything that Small Hands Rump does like this will make more and more people they elected a psychopath.
     
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    Well their swan song is a automatic , it's called demographics, the only real area of population increase are minorities that the right has always (*)(*)(*)(*) on. They will remember. They will never vote for the hate party and I don't put much effort in thinking about ideas that the parties are controlled by secret groups of people who walk around in scull caps.
     
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    One of the main idea that has to be dumped is the idea that the market controls wages, so where ever they land is the number. Their should be no number acceptable for a full time job that need government support to maintain the profits of any corporation or business in this country by what they are not paying in wages to a level that is needed for a family to live on in a minimal level . I'd like to hear why I have to, as a tax payer, pay what is needed above wages to keep a roof over the heads and food on the table for any generic family and the bottom line of any business. That is not my responsibility.
     
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    Yes, and "Russia" caused people to not vote for Hillary.

    Lol.

    Head to the conspiracy section. You'll love it there
     
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    Yawn. China is our distant 4th export market, not the largest as you erroneously proclaimed, amounting to just 7% of our export. Yet China is responsible for 50% of our trade deficit. And we are indeed China's largest import partner. In simple terms so that even you could understand - they flood our market with their junk and yet they don't buy anything from us. China is already waging a trade war, it's just that we are not fighting back, losing badly and have precious little left to lose. But don't fret, China stands to lose their largest export market for good. When they realize Trump means business, they'll play ball. You'll apologize to him and to us then, ok?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States
     
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    Well, what you will hear is this:
    1) The WalMarts & Mickey D's jobs are for part time work force only.
    2) Management at these stores make a livable wage.
    3) And bla bla ...bla, bla, bla.......

    I've paid taxes for a long time. Doesn't much bother me. However, corporate welfare most certainly does.
     

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