Conservatives: What did Hitler get wrong?

Even more irony!

Trump has no morals or values and doesn't worship your god because he is too busy worshiping himself.

 

Hitler was just as racist as Democrats, who founded the kkk and the BLM movement.

People should be judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin.

Just try and explain that to a Democrat and then watch them spew forth their racist hate speech. They even deny Hitler was a progressive socialist....

 

So you are saying he is a good democrat.

 

Less in some cases. No corporate welfare, frex, and social democracy doesn't support the direct redistribution of wealth.

Do you support Trump's tariffs? because Tariffs are VERY socialistic

 

So is nuclear power. You can't build one without lots and lots of government money. The ROI is too small and initial investment is too large for any banks. But who supports nuclear power?

 

I certainly believe that Whites are superior to Blacks in many, but not all ways. But they are not superior to East Asians and maybe not to South Asians. This is a simple fact and not what Hitler got wrong.

(1) What Hitler got wrong was trying to exterminate the Jews which he considered rivals when they could be considered allies.

(2) Attacking Russia before he had defeated Great Britain, at least according to my 7th grade history teacher.

(3) The whole idea that it is worthwhile to dominate the world militarily as opposed to economically and culturally.

 

I’ve read some ridiculous posts here but to understand that Hitler was a socialist is just laughable. It comes from those who can’t differentiate the difference between Communism and Socialism when even a few minutes research will give the answer.

In fact Hitler was never a follower of any political ideology, while socialists believe medical care should be provided by the government and conservatism believes it should be provided by private companies. Hitler couldn’t give a toss as long as the Aryan race was protected and used for breeding future members for the Master Race and the rejects were eliminated by Zyklon B

There is one thing political extremists crave more than anything else and that is entry to the mainstream – and by branding such people “socialists” or “conservatives” we unlatch the door and pull back the bolt.

 

Stalin was a dictator. So was Lenin. You can't get more left-wing than that.

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All facts... except the 25 points of the NSDAP platform.

 

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ CDC thinks so. Good enough for you?

 

No, I didn't.

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The states will decide and will have to deal with the consequences as Colorado is now doing.

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If you refuse to do your homework there is nothing I can do about that.

 

Yeah, you can have those kind of discussions and back and forth arguments on the right, and as you've demonstrated, even the alt right. Anyway, I'm not trying to stop you from using alt right sources if you want, I just wasn't sure if had just Googled it and didn't know it was alt right.

 

Once again we see those posters who will not challenge their preconceptions. The link did not work for me but maybe these will:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/21/j-kenneth-blackwell-black-abortions-a-crisis-in-am/

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

Approximately 16 million African Americans have died as the result of abortion since 1973. And the current abortion rate for African American women is ~ 50% (50 abortions per 100 births).

 

I can tell you as someone who isn't even conservative but has grown up in a conservative household that the parallels your making between republicans and Nazis is wrong. The similarity they both have is that they are both right wing just as the only similarity between American democrats and communists is that they're both left wing. Also, Adolf Hitler didn't think whites were better he thought that specifically GERMANS were superior to all other races and cultures. I have read mein Kemp and I can tell you that they are both different.

 

Unfortunately, yes. The CSN article actually cites the CDC data, so thought it more likely to be easy for folks to consume. Not sure why the link doesn't work for you.

 

Thanks for the reply. Let's look at it.

Hardly. Conservatism is but a part of the right. Fascism is a more extreme part. The alt-right is another part. White supremacy is yet another. So your objections are not well thought out since my point has been that fascism is part of the right and is an extreme extension of it as communism is an extreme extension of the left. Similarly, there are different parts to the left. There is liberalism, progressivism, socialism, communism to name a few.

Fascism will come to America dressed in the American flag with American slogans and American deceptions. No one but you has attempted to conflate European fascism with anything American. Yes there are similarities but that is what we need to see if we are to be aware of what it is we see coming down the political road to us.

We have the early efforts at a socialist system in many countries, and we have communist theory. There is no "communist system" ever articulated nor attempted yet. And since the Marxian theory of communism describes it as a "stateless" one occurring after the state "withers away", your claim of communism being a "merger of state and corporate power" is clearly so deeply flawed as to be nonsensical.

And you still haven't agreed to respect and accept historical facts. Hence I rebutted none of your points.

Quote me? Nope. That's because your charge here is BS. I didn't mention the word "conservative" once in my post that you quoted. Not once. So your attribution of the quoted term "American conservative" is nothing short of a lie. If you would stick to the rule of quoting, you might avoid such fundamental errors.

I didn't mention "conservative" except in this post where I pointed out that it is merely a part of the ideologies of the right.

We're not talking about progressivism. Hence this is a deflection.

Now, if you are interested in discussing the point I did make and commit to respecting and accepting historical facts, we may continue. Otherwise you're on your own.

 

I've challenged anyone to debate your claim. So far everyone on the right has refused my challenge, which seems to show that they know such a claim as you made here is bogus, false, and mere twisted right wing propaganda.

Would you care to take me up on my offer? All you must do is to agree to respect and accept historical facts.

 

I get "Not Found" when clicking on the link. The links from the Wash Times and BG do reference CDC data.

 

Care to challenge me directly on this instead of hiding behind acronyms?

 

So was Stalin.

 

I did. Maybe you did not understand my post.

Do you know what the NSDAP is?
Are you familiar with their 25 point platform?

How do these tenets of said platform differ from the tenets of socialism?

-We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
-We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
-The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore, we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
-We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
-All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
-The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:
-Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
-In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
-We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
-We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
-We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
-We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
-We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
-We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
-The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
-The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
-We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
-We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press.
-We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination
-For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

According to you, "All facts prove he was a rightie and an anti-socialist, anti-communist corporatist."
You're wrong.
Live with it.

 

This ^^ from 1920 could not summarize socialism (national) with any more clarity. And it shows that indeed a very strong leader with unlimited power is needed to ensure that the goodness of this national socialism system is realized. What could go wrong ??

 

This amounts to a deflection. First you must agree to respect and accept the facts of history if you want me to discuss it.

 

Ah. You cannot address the entirety of my post, which disproves your claim in its entirety.
I accept you concession of the point.

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The claim that the Nazis were not based in socialism is absurd to anyone with even a minimal level of education on the subject.

 

I seem to remember reading that Islam and Hitler were buddies and leftist in this country support Islam, so who should be compared to Hitler?http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article.php/id/2543?id=2543

 

More false BS. You didn't agree to my terms. Therefore your replies are worthless.