Part 35 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    Your fundamentalism and literalism is relatively new.. It was a push back against education and science in the 1920s.
     
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    Worship all you want, theist. Just keep it hidden, secret and away from me.
    Just not in any way you can demonstrate. Repeating the bald assertions put into your brain as a child does not make the assertions correct, but I'm sure you don't believe that. Rational thinking is something you were taught to avoid.

    Yes, religious indoctrination and related peer pressure can do that to people...folks whose brains have been conditioned to only accept certain scripture, authority and revelation, like you. It makes you feel special, doesn't it?

    More unsupported religious dogma. Too bad you were never taught to think for yourself.

    Of course a theist like has to get to the "Believe as I do or my Sky Fairy will punish you" threat.

    You are addicted to an apocalyptic blood and death cult and pretend to threaten those who do not believe as you do. I consider that immoral, empty, cowardly and lazy behavior...all wrapped up in one bundle. You were taught to spew this nonsense. See? Funny stuff. Pathetic too.
     
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    They've purged all of the sites that had search features for the Babylonian Talmud and the few remaining sites that have the Babylonian Talmud are completely worthless as they are not user friendly. Most have just walls of rambling text. Some even have the thing in Hebrew. So at this time I'm unable to locate the specific passages that support my statement.

    If anyone wants to waste time out of his life reading worthless junk he can do it by trying to read the Babylonian Talmud. I would rather read the Book of Mormon and the Koran because they are far less disgusting than the Babylonian Talmud.
     
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    If you believe all the above, then you should realize he really has no choice but to try to save you from hell.
     
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    A Matthew was a disciple, but unlikely to have written the Gospel attributed to his name. It wasn't attributed to him until the 2nd century. Epistles attributed to Paul are now believed to have been written by others. Moses never wrote the Pentateuch. Some of Davids Psalms are similar to Ugarit poetry. Isaiah seems to have been written by 2 people. Esther is adapted from an earlier stories. And it is claimed that 'John' wrote Revelations, but what 'John'. All the writer did was take OT scriptures and adapt them to christianity. The Essenes had their own book of Revelations - doing the same thing.
    I believe it possible that Mark, when a boy, actually heard Jesus when he was in Jerusalem, but not enough to write his Gospel. Neither did he know Palestinian geography, proved by his errors.
     
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    We'd still be stuck in the Bronze Age if we challenged every advancement in science with didactic literature and religious mythology.

    I don't no why Creationists don't get that.
     
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    Intelligent Design is scientific and Biblical. Believing in the Scriptues doesn't mean a person is anti science. After all, Einstein and other great minds believed and do believe in Intelligent Design.
     
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    You might enjoy this:

    https://evoillusion.org/einsteins-thoughts/

    Pitting science and history against bronze age didactic literature is a HUGE waste of time.
     
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    Very familiar will all of Einstein quotes. I'm very satisfied that Einstein believed that an Intelligent Spirit created and runs the Universe because he said it. I have examined ALL of Einstein quotes on the topic.
    http://sillysutras.com/httpsillysutras-comeinsteins-belief-in-god-as-universal-intelligence/
     
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    Another famous physicist that believes in Spinoza's God.
     
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    We know about your belief.
    How wide spread was the worldwide cannibalism? Was it all children, babies, and fetuses? How many years did this go on for?
    How flat is the earth? I'm not sure you've given us the flat earth dimensions yet.
     
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    Except liars and false teachers will go to hell, according to the book. So how does one in hell, save another from going to hell?

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    Stop. This isn't about facts. It's about belief.
     
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    Oooops. I forgot that.:wall:
     
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    Good point. However, other posters and lurkers might benefit from the post.
     
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    Over the last century, sorry to say, radiometric dating has not been the sure thing. The accuracy of radiometric dating remains ambiguously suspect at best and so there still remains a lot of research to do by the gifted minds of our men and women of science.

    Mitt Ryan
     
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    Actually, its very reliable. You just don't understand it. Here's a Christian perspective from a scientist.

    Arguments over the age of the Earth have sometimes been divisive for people who regard the Bible as God's word. Even though the Earth's age is never mentioned in the Bible, it is an issue because those who take a strictly literal view of the early chapters of Genesis can calculate an approximate date for the creation by adding up the life-spans of the people mentioned in the genealogies.

    Assuming a strictly literal interpretation of the week of creation, even if some of the generations were left out of the genealogies, the Earth would be less than ten thousand years old. Radiometric dating techniques indicate that the Earth is thousands of times older than that--approximately four and a half billion years old. Many Christians accept this and interpret the Genesis account in less scientifically literal ways.

    However, some Christians suggest that the geologic dating techniques are unreliable, that they are wrongly interpreted, or that they are confusing at best.

    Unfortunately, much of the literature available to Christians has been either inaccurate or difficult to understand, so that confusion over dating techniques continues.

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    http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html
     
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    It's very difficult sorting through the Babylonian Talmud now because they purged the sites that had the complete book in searchable form.

    But through some very hard work on my part you can now thank me for my contribution to your knowledge base.

    As it says in the Babylonian Talmud Tractate Yebamoth Folio 63a regarding Adam having sex with the animals:
    "R. Eleazar further stated: What is meant by the Scriptural text, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh?13 This teaches that Adam had intercourse with every beast and animal but found no satisfaction until he cohabited with Eve."
    http://www.halakhah.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_63.html

    Now here's your Bible lesson for today: According to the fairy tale in Genesis 2:18-25 (MSG) = "18-20 God said, “It’s not good for the Man to be alone; I’ll make him a helper, a companion.” So God formed from the dirt of the ground all the animals of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the Man to see what he would name them. Whatever the Man called each living creature, that was its name. The Man named the cattle, named the birds of the air, named the wild animals; but he didn’t find a suitable companion.

    21-22 God put the Man into a deep sleep. As he slept he removed one of his ribs and replaced it with flesh. God then used the rib that he had taken from the Man to make Woman and presented her to the Man.


    23-25 The Man said,
    “Finally! Bone of my bone,
    flesh of my flesh!
    Name her Woman
    for she was made from Man.”
    Therefore a man leaves his father and mother and embraces his wife. They become one flesh.
    The two of them, the Man and his Wife, were naked, but they felt no shame."

    Now notice that God stole one of Adam's ribs without consulting him and did a major medical procedure without informing Adam of the consequences. Also notice that if Adam and the woman were the first couple where did the idea of father, mother, and wife come from?

    Also note that Adam called the new creature "woman". He didn't name her "Eve" until Genesis 3:20, after they had eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
    Genesis 3:20 (ERV) = "20 Adam named his wife Eve. He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived."

    And also notice that Eve didn't have children until after they had been expelled from the Garden of Eden (Genesis 4:1-2).

    So to sum it up the God creature created all of the animals and then made a golem creature to rule over them. The golem creature had sex with all of the animals because the God creature was too "dumb/stupid" to make another golem for the golem. So the God creature stole one of the golem's ribs and made a woman golem for the male golem to have sex with and to be his helpmate. The golem get smart from eating from a magic tree and the God creature kicks them out of the Garden of Eden. Then the golem start reproducing and now there's over 7 billion in the world today. Remember, a lot of people swear that they didn't evolve from apes but did come from a golem.

    Isn't that a cool biblical fairy tale?

    It will probably take me some time to find the passage about Jesus having sex with the donkey in the Talmud. I've forgotten where it is so I'll have to read the entire disgusting thing and it's a lot. So have patience.
     
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    As part of your continuing eduction here's a lesson on names.

    1. Matthew Look up Matthew at Dictionary.commasc. proper name, introduced in England by the Normans, from Old French Mathieu
    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Matthew

    2, Mark = "Though in use during the Middle Ages, Mark was not common in the English-speaking world until the 19th century, when it began to be used alongside the classical form Marcus."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_(name)


    3. John Look up John at Dictionary.commasc. proper name, Middle English Jon, Jan (mid-12c.),

    Note that the "J" words didn't exist before the letter "J" was added to the Italian language in 1524. Words using the letter "J" weren't published in the English language until over a century later, in 1633. "The first English language book to make a clear distinction between ⟨i⟩ and ⟨j⟩ was published in 1633."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J

    So, in conclusion, guys named Matthew, Mark, and John didn't exist 2,000 years ago. It's best to use their real names instead of aliases made up by creative writers.
     
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    Did you know that the Romans killed 4 billion Jews in the city of Bethar in the war in 132-135 AD? Someone could count to 4 billion before all of the corpses rotted away. so counting to 8 billion seems feasible, just do it as twice as fast. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3222-bethar

    Babylonian Talmud Gittin 57b = http://halakhah.com/pdf/nashim/Gittin.pdf
    "‘The voice of Jacob’: this is the cry caused by the Emperor Vespasian 12 who killed in the city of Bethar four hundred thousand myriads, or as some say, four thousand myriads."

    Myriad = ten thousand. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/myriad

    So 400,000 myriads X 10,000 = 4 billion corpses in one town in Israel in the years 132-135 AD.

    Or 4,000 myriads X 10,000 - 40 million corpses in one town in Israel in the years 132-135 AD. And the Romans killed all of them. The Babylonian Talmud says so. And they claim that Hitler killed 6 million.
     
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    There were not even 4 Billion humans on Earth at this time.
     
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    Of course there weren't. But the book says that on the conservative side that the Romans killed 40 million people in that town and on the liberal side they killed 4 billion people in that one town in the years 132-135 AD. Now if you don't believe that how can you believe any of their other stories?
     
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    I cannot and do not.
     
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    LOLOL.. The OT is full of ridiculous exaggerations.
     
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