Congress Moving to Cut U.S. Funding to U.N. in Wake of Anti-Israel Vote......

I am counting myself as one of the FEW posters that have had sit downs with any Palestinian.

I tell you, they hate the Jews. If they were that well armed, they would kill all Jews.

So much debate centers around how the Jews regained possession of a country they once ruled.

Background on the only Palestinian I spoke to at length.

First, he walked into my office. His purpose was to buy property. He related to me he not only owned a nice family home locally, but also owned a home in Morocco.

Curious I sought some of his story.

He retired as the captain of airliners he flew for Egypt as I recall his story. He did not mind discussing Gaza, etc.

But he was very upset. Upset since clearly he despises the Jews.

When England ran that area, they were getting attacked a lot. And wanted out of that area.

I won't give the history there since this is about claims made by Palestinians.

His version was that he was a young boy when his family was paid to leave a home and business. They did not want to leave either.

We know that today, that Arabs live and work in Israel. For some reason, they manage to work, attend schools and are not a pain to the Jews. He told me that his home in Morocco is in an area that my city reminds him of.

Believe it or not I saw him show up a half dozen times and he was always walking.

 

You're only exposing how little you really know about M.E. / Levantine History & the current issues that surround it.

Firstly, Wikipedia is another Zionist dominated source & untruthful when it comes to all issues related to Israel:

- “Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups”
Two Israeli groups set up training courses in Wikipedia editing with aims to 'show the other side' over borders and culture”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

- “Zionist Control of WikiPedia”
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...d=429:zionist-control-of-wikipedia&Itemid=118


Secondly, Menachem Begin, who should know, openly admitted that Israel started at least 3 Mid East Wars including the '67 War & '73 War[1]


“Begin’s Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars”
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0794/9407073.htm

“It was 12 years ago when Prime Minister Menachem Begin admitted in public that Israel had fought three wars in which it had a "choice," meaning Israel started the wars. Begin's admission came in a speech delivered on Aug. 8, 1982, before the Israeli National Defense College. His purpose was to defuse mounting criticism of Israel's invasion of Lebanon, which had begun two months earlier on June 5 and was clearly one of Israel's wars of "choice." The others were in 1956 and 1967.” CONTINUED

“In June 1967, we had a choice. The Egyptian army concentration in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
Menachem Begin (1913 - 1992), former Israeli Prime Minister, speaking about the "Six Day War"


You should really stick to racist pronouncements & stop proving that you know so little about the issues at hand.



[1] “What Really Happened in the “Yom Kippur” War?”
ISRAEL SHAMIR
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/22/what-really-happened-in-the-yom-kippur-war/

EXCERPT “The secret file, written by the Soviet Ambassador in Cairo, Vladimir M. Vinogradov..... describes the 1973 October War as a collusive enterprise between US, Egyptian and Israeli leaders, orchestrated by Henry Kissinger.”CONTINUED

 

Wrong again on both counts:

According to Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, it was the industrious Germans who not only "made the deserts bloom" as well as constructing & paying for early Israel's entire infrastructure:



EXERPT “ That the goods Israel received from Germany were a decisive economic factor in its development is beyond doubt. I do not know what economic dangers might have threatened Israel at critical moments if it had not been for German supplies. Railways and telephones, dock installations and irrigation plants, whole areas of industry and agriculture, would not be where they are today without the reparations from Germany. “CONTINUED
Nahum Goldmann, Autobiography, p. 276.
president of the World Jewish Congress, and from 1956 to 1958,

AND:

EXCERPT ".......every train in Israel is German, the ships are German, as well as the electricity,
It is difficult to exaggerate the impact of the program: the five power plants built and installed by West Germany between 1953 and 1956 quadrupled Israel's electric-power-generating capacity. West Germans laid 280 kilometers of giant pipelines (2.25 and 2.5 meters in diameter) for the irrigation of the Negev (which certainly helped to "make the desert bloom"). The Zionist state acquired 65 German- built ships, including four passenger vessels."CONTINUED[1]


Additionally, you also appear to know nothing about "World opinion" when it comes to your favorite country:

“BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890

EXCERPT “The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.
Only 21 percent of participants had a positive view on Israel, while 52 percent viewed the country unfavorably. Iran, in comparison, won the favorable opinion of 15 percent of those who answered the survey, while 59 percent viewed it unfavorably.”CONTINUED

AND:

“Latest Gallup poll shows young Americans overwhelmingly support Palestine”
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ng-americans-overwhelmingly-support-palestine




[1] “West Germany's Holocaust Payoff to Israel and World Jewry”
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p243_Weber.html

 

So, you spoke to ONE Palestinian in your office & base the sentiments of all Palestinians on that very limited contact with ONE Palestinian.....in your office.

Meanwhile, I worked in a Palestinian Refugee camp as a medic during the '73 War & spoke to hundreds of Palestinians who were tormented & dispossessed torture victims of the Zionist Invaders since 1948.

If you had seen their ragged photo albums & heard their survival stories at the hands of murderous Zionist butchers, you would feel the same way.

The question I was asked most frequently was: "Why do Americans help the Jews/Zionists do this to us?"

The following is just one example of what they mean by "do this to us":



“They used to enter houses and kill women and children indiscriminately”: Deir Yasin Massacre,(*)09.04.1948

http://avoicefrompalestine.wordpres...-forget-deir-yasin-massacre-09-04-1948/#_ftn3

"A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor (Deputy Inspector General Richard Catling, who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him.

He says that the “mopping up” had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives.

Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers.

Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.

Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive.

52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.

Their mothers were in turn massacred and their bodies mutilated. About 60 other women and girls were also killed and their bodies mutilated.

British interrogating officer, Deputy Inspector General Richard Catling, confirmed that:

“The recording of statements is hampered also by the hysterical state of the women who often break down many times whilst the statement is being recorded.

There is, however, no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews.

Many young schoolgirls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested.

One story is current concerning a case in which a young girl was literally torn in two.

Many infants were also butchered and killed.

I also saw one old woman … who had been severely beaten about the head with rifle butts.

Women had bracelets torn from their arms and rings from their fingers and parts of some of the women’s ears were severed in order to remove earrings.” CONTINUED


So much for the "Lessons of the Holocaust®"

 

What did you expect me to do? Maybe advertize for victims to come to talk to me?

Are you angry this old man is still very angry?

Maybe to prove I doubted his case, i should fly to Palestine to verify his claims?

Maybe get a Jew show up to flash him the middle finger?

I don't get why my accurate story got you angry.

I treated the man with dignity. Carefully let him tell me his story and showed him respect.

Maybe you wanted me to point gun at him.

Tell me one thing....

Do you vote for Democrats?

 

World opinion is that Palestine should be recognised as a bona fide sovereign state. The recent UN vote in favour by a vast majority of members granting Palestine non-state observer status at the UN is evidence enough. It is Israel which has become the pariah of the Middle East, and it is Israel which is paying the price in world opinion. One would have to be blind and deaf not to have noticed.
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Poll-Israel-viewed-negatively-around-the-world

http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbccntryview/backgrounder.html

 

World opinion? You realize much of world opinion doesn't even recognize Israel's existence?

There is to the victors go the spoils and the spoils rarely have a high opinion of the victors.

 

'To the victors go the spoils' is pretty rhetoric but luckily is completely without legitimacy in law. And what is this nonsense about world opinion not recognizing Israel's existence? Is Israel not a UN member state? If Israel were not recognized they would not be a UN member state. It's pretty simple really.

 

Many in Palestine, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iraq recognize Israel and openly and often call for her destruction. The UN created Israel, she was attacked the same day. Several bloody wars did define today's borders and the new President will make sure they're enforced.

 

Here is a lesson you can relay back to the Palestinians. When talking about the Destructions of others.....they must first have the capability to do so. Until then.....they need to ST&U with that BS.

I'm all for giving them statehood. This way when they act stupid. They can pay the price. Oh, and their leaders speak for all of them. So all are included.

No matter how many incidents you can bring up blaming the Israelis. One thing is clear.....they aren't running off at the mouth about Killing All Palestinians.

 

Firstly, I apologize for the angry tone of my Comment.
My frustration was not directed at you but at the fact that most Americans & other Westerners have only heard a simplistic "Evil Arabs" vs "Poor Israelis" side of the narrative from our blatantly pro Israel Major Media[1], [2].

Because I wanted to hear both sides of the Israeli - Palestinian story and am fascinated by archeology, I spent 10 - 11 months hitch-hiking, walking, traveling via camel back, donkey cart, public transportation throughout Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc until I got caught in S. Lebanon / W. Syria during the '73 War.

It was from countless dispossessed Palestinians in those countries that I heard similar accounts of the same story of the foreign Invasion of ruthless, heavily armed, foreign Zionist Terrorist Gangs many of whom were even funded & trained by the Nazi SS[3], [4] only more barbaric & fanatic in their "God given" zeal to exterminate & expel the indigenous Christian, Muslim, Druze etc Palestinian residents.

While there was no order or Plan for the extermination of Germany's Jews[5] there was a Zionist Plan to expel or exterminate all of Palestine's native Residents that remains in full effect called Plan Dalet[6].

The Zionist agenda to purge Palestine continues under the guise of "Fighting Terrorism" but overblown Palestinian resistance to foreign Invader/ Occupiers is no different from the "heroic" Partisan fight against Nazi Invader / Occupiers & similar conflicts throughout history.

To no avail, I have repeatedly asked members of Israel's army of paid, trained & scripted Hasbara Trolls[7] what THEY would if their Region were suddenly invaded by a powerful contingent of heavily armed mass murdering terrorists who massacred their families, destroyed their homes, stole their property & herded them into an Open Air shooting gallery / "Lab"[8] while continuing to enforce a Plan Dalet.

It is not surprising that I have yet to receive an open & honest answer

Again, I apologize for the angry tone of my previous response & only hope that you will remember that there is another rarely told side to the Palestinian - Israel story


Thanks





[1] “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...erage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.Vhb3Zc02XUR


[2] “DECLASSIFIED SENATE INVESTIGATION FILES REVEAL CLANDESTINE, ISRAELI PR CAMPAIGN IN AMERICA”
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...israeli-pr-campaign-in-america-100976089.html


[3] “Nazis SS Funded Nascent Israeli Army”
http://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html


[4] “Zionists Offered to Fight for Nazis”
http://newobserveronline.com/zionists-offered-fight-nazis/
EXCERPT “Not only did the world Zionist movement cooperate with Hitler—as claimed by UK politician Ken Livingstone—but it also formally offered in writing to fight for the Nazis against the British to facilitate a German victory in the Middle East.
Among the leading Zionists who made this offer was Yitzhak Shamir, later Israeli Prime Minister.”CONTINUED


[5] “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”
- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


[6] "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140

EXCERPT “On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.”CONTINUED


[7] “Israel’s Information Ops”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/israels-information-ops/
EXCERPT “ But the American public in particular should be aware of the extraordinary efforts that Israel and its supporters make to present a crafted and coordinated image through the media, particularly by way of the Internet.

When an intelligence organization seeks to influence opinion by creating and deliberately circulating false information, it is referred to as a “disinformation operation.”

But Israel has refined the art ....

.....in many cases paying students as part-time bloggers or exploiting diaspora Jews as volunteers to get its message out.
The practice is so systemic, involving recruitment, training, Foreign Ministry-prepared information sheets, and internet alerts to potential targets, that it is frequently described by its Hebrew name, hasbara, which means literally “public explanation.”

The hasbara comments are noticeable as they tend to sound like boilerplate....

...Students are paid as much as $2,000 monthly to work the online targets.

the commenters generally go by American-sounding names and they never indicate that they are Israelis or working on behalf of the Israeli government.

They tend to repeat over and over again sound bites of pseudo-information, most recently maintaining falsely that Hamas had started the “war” and that Israel was only defending itself.

The commenters operate in the belief that if something is repeated often enough in many different places it will ipso facto gain some credibility and create doubts regarding contrary points of view."CONTINUED


[8] “The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population”
http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

 

I forgot to answer your last question.

No, I do not vote for Democrats

 

Funny story given it is England that started the problem.

 

Well,it is your right to show sympathy with the Nazis. I make this comment since you allege the Nazis had no plan to eliminate the Jews.

Why not read the following book and get up to date on what the Nazis did. I doubt it matters to many posters but I was in Germany in 62-4 know the Nazi story quite well.



Think too of the times when Israel was restored.

England wanted out of the problem and the solution seemed to put the Jews back into their homeland.

This retired airline pilot I talked to was clear about the "injustice he believed" was heaped on his family.

He has still the accent of that area. He spent many years flying Arab airliners.

It was easy to see how serious he is. He is in his late 70s now if he still lives.

It is quite true that globally, many people from various places tell of them being displaced.

In College, I had a Russian teacher that told the class how he also got displaced and escaped to China. I have spoken to other Russians. One other that grew up in China in a Russian town.

I am lucky that since 1956, I have crossed paths with a variety of people.

My message to you is you don't replace a hate with more hate.

This country itself lives and makes a living off land we took away from the natives.

Another thing, Muslims believe it is fine to lie so long as it is about nonbelievers.

 

The Palestinians have rejected a lot of fine offers that would have given them peace.

 

The Palestinians don't want Peace. Let them reap.....their reward.

 

I'm telling you what I, an average American, knows and probably what most Americans know. Maybe you should become as clever as the Israelis and stick to propaganda instead of supporting terrorism.

I find all your facts and details mean nothing to me. Vengeful and bloodthirsty people don't deserve more territory when it puts others in harm's way, and I don't care about whether that seems fair to you or not.

 

Considering how many Jews Germany murdered, and how much wealth it stole from them, it was nice of them to actually pay reparations and help Israel become established. However, such help is useless in cases where a population is too ignorant and religiously bigoted to make best use of it...and your quotes demonstrate that even back then Israeli leaders were clever enough to give credit where due, improving their own image in the process.

The view of Israel held by young Americans, if it is as you claim, is IMO a result of their lack of historical reference points and general desire to assist the underdog, pushed forward by the out-of-date Marxist propaganda and Islamic subversion that apparently had been infesting our colleges and universities even before our close-to-treasonous current President took office.

IMO it's not too difficult to shift a world view when on the side of members of a religious group that is inordinately large because of excessive reproduction and a growth policy that considers it OK to murder and rape even those that have treated it well to spread its doctrine, as Mohammed allowed his followers to do in Medina.

 

It's pretty easy to get nations to back you up if they are fellow Muslims, since their existence after all was intended to be a thorn in Israel's side to begin with. Others having no skin in the game, because they will not be in gun or rocket range of the Palestinians, can also find it easy to condemn the actions Israel has taken to enhance its own survival.

 

Based on what I read, in Gaza, that is entirely true. In West Bank, i believe that faction would make peace.

 

In 1947, though on the mend due to destruction in Germany by American and allies, it was not fixed.

Germany was a broken nation. Even when i got there in 1962, I saw first hand evidence of bombing. Even at Ledward Barracks where the Nazis had panzers, and we had mechanized infantry. we had clear evidence of bombing.

It was rather remarkable at how fast the Germans worked to rebuild Germany. But sans the Marshall plan, they might have remained a bombed out country even into the 1980s. It was our money that ruined Germany and our money that fixed them.

I had not fully appreciated bomb destruction until I went into East Germany where the Russians did not much care if Germany was in ruins or not.

I to this day have my photo collection I took photos of where I documented the destruction of East berlin. Fortunately when I got to Berlin, on the west side I can only recall the destruction to the catholic church not far from the Berlin Zoo.

 

Re:

Thanks for at least having the honesty to admit what has been blatantly obvious throughout all of your racist & ill informed Comments: "...facts and details mean nothing to me"

 

It doesn't appear that you either read or understood my previous Comment.

Firstly, I read "The Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich" about 50 years ago, lived, studied & worked in Germany in the early 1970s, was/am fluent in German to the point that I was frequently mistaken for a German myself.

The history of WW 2 is far more complex than you appear to understand & because I spoke German, I had the opportunity to read & hear countless sides of the story that you, as an American occupier, would not & do not know.

However, this topic has to do with the Mid East about which I have already written extensively in my previous comment.

Yes, the U.S. is land that was taken from the Native Americans over 100 years ago but the Zionist Plan to exterminate & expel Palestine's Native Residents is an active issue, today in which the US is complicit to the severe detriment of America's best interests.

However, it would only be an exercise in futility to explain them to someone unable to comprehend them.

By the way, the Talmud also teaches that:

 

Only in the Nazi copy of it, something you probebly read at its mother tongue German.

 

This certainly looks like English to me & seems to refute your "falsehood":


“Talmud Exposed”
http://www.christusrex.org/www3/talmud-exposed/talmud.htm

EXCERPT”
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews:
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

It's O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews:
Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status:
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite ... the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews:
Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean ... "

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews:
Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
"CONTINUED"


I certainly don't believe that all Jews feel that it's OK to steal, Lie, cheat Gentiles and adhere to the tenets of the Talmud but I am simply supporting what I stated in the post to which you responded with your unsupported "falsehood"......to an "inferior" Gentile