Congress Moving to Cut U.S. Funding to U.N. in Wake of Anti-Israel Vote......

Hahaha 'Promotes peace'!

 

What else will you call measures, designed to give Israel defensive options, other than nuclear?

 

It was 72 was it not that Israel told US that if it did not provide her with state of the art weapons tout de suite, she was going to use her nukes and the US has been making sure she has all the weapons she could possibly need ever since. I do then understand your argument that the US provides Israel with weapons to avoid a nuclear war. The only problem with this is that I do not see by this argument Israel any more sane than North Korea. Hence possibly Israel is the most dangerous country in the world, not a good friend or a country who ought to be allowed to have nukes if your beliefs are true.

 

so we are trying to manipulate the UN because we do not like how they decided?

 

Huge difference, Alexa. Leave Israel be, and these nuclear weapons will peacefully rust in their bunkers, for they are the weapons of last defense, a deterrent. We're not so sure about North Korea even though their posture suggest they can use these nikes at a moment's whim. Still, as we know, nobody wants to attack North Korea is they bother no-one.

In case of Israel, were there no nukes, there probably be no Israel by now.

 

I don't agree with you. I believe that a country blackmailing the world's no 1 power for weapons, which is what you are saying Israel does, is the most dangerous country we could ever have.

Yes, without nukes the US may not have decided to give Israel the weapons she did so that she could win that war and Israel might well have been beaten. We cannot tell what the consequenses would have been - who knows maybe Israel would have won. But assuming she had not, European Jews would almost certainly have been sent home and the ME would have developed in a completely different way. I would bet it would be much more secure. Your State Department foresaw the calamities which would befall the ME if an Israeli State was created, which they correctly imagined would only be the beginning for Israel.

Now here is a question, if Israel had lost in 72, would those who then inhabited her be guilty of taking land by conquest. Remember there was no Israel until 48 and then it was created by colonial settlers. I am guessing the absolute most the UN would have seen as Israel would be along the lines suggested in the UN 2 states. At most there would have been a small Israel who out of necessity would have had to develop good relations with her neighbours.

Instead we have had an ever growing Israel, defying International Law and only saved by the vote of the US, no doubt demanded by Christian Zionists after their Armageddon.

I think yes, it would have been better. The US would have had no need to destroy the ME, the people of the middle East would not find themselves living in the hell they have these last thirteen years or so and due to this no people would find they could claim to be of God and get others following them as they rape and murder.

A country which blackmails another nation over the threat of nuclear war is without question so dangerous that steps should be taken to remove its power.

 

Nah if you read what one of your Team said.....you know Chucky Schumer, they are reacting to that Biased Institution. That both sides of the aisle figured out the UN was.....a long long time ago.

 

Imagine what we could do with the $8 BILLION we spend every year on that worthless organization. We should be spending it on Americans.

 

Not a blackmail, a resolve - these words have different meaning. Without nukes, Israel is indefensible with or without US weapons. How do you defend a country that is only nine miles wide?

Nukes by itself do not change the picture all that much; it's the resolve to use them to (*)(*)(*)(*) the aggressor - this is what keeps Arabs at bay. They know Israel will use nukes in case Israel is attacked and the situation is hopeless.

 

I have done reading on the subject, recent and historical. Since its founding in 1948, which I fully support, and though there are many good and conscientious Jewish individuals, the Israeli government has a reputation for conducting covert and overt terrorist acts.

To demonstrate the conscientious Jews, an Israeli jury just convicted one of their own for killing a Palestinian.

Yes, we humans are capable of both good and evil. No news there. That so much of it is done in the name of religion is the point.

 

Hi. This 'reputation" may be one of perception, given the amount of anti-Israeli propaganda being distributed by Muslims and Leftists. The fact is that Israel is the only democracy in the area where men and women of various beliefs and backgrounds can live together peacefully. Unlike their neighbors, a broad education is an integral part of the country and its culture

Not surprising in Israel. At the same time Palestinians pay people to murder Jews and name streets and public squares after these 'martyrs'.

Atheists have behaved just as badly, it's just that Muslim are going through this cycle of violence a this time, comforted by those who find justification for the murder of innocents.

People can be taught hatreds no matter what their religion, or lack of it. Hatreds are being taught even as we type these opinions, many barred elsewhere, from the safety and comfort of our own homes.

 

Cutting funding the the UN... but keep funding going to Israel? what, is the US a puppet of Israel?

 

We fund a lot of countries not just Israel....you do know the difference between a country and some biased institution, Right?

 

I appreciate the comment, and I appreciate the sincerity.

Yes hatred is being taught, and a cynical man might say that's its purpose but unfortunately that seems to be a purpose of religion, or a result or a result of it, hatred. Some teach it as hatred of only other religions, and there is often that of Jesus would not like it, but we do it. Alan Watts wrote an article in Playboy back in the 70's called The Most Dangerous Book in the World, in which he examined those parts of the Bible that allowed or encouraged violent acts. AKA war.

Do Atheists really get the blame for war?

 

If your looking for a Utopian world, your not going to find it.

 

Really? So what on earth is the point of Israel possessing nuclear weapons? If Israel used them on any of its neighbours (you know, all those naughty Arabs wanting to 'push Israel into the sea'), Israel would end up an irradiated wasteland itself. Fallout, nuclear plumes?

 

You can add the $5 billion you waste on Israel every year to that.

 

I don't advocate for one.....nor go off into philosophizing about what is part of human nature when talking politics.

 

Well its not a waste and it isn't going to happen.....so you will need to look for new and improved ways to get rid of the Israelis.

 

So tell me, how does America benefit from that gift to Israel?

 

Do you know why we give money to Egypt and Jordan? It is so that they support Israel!! The Egyptian and Jordanian governments cooperate with Israel, despite the fact that their populations are overwhelmingly opposed to that cooperation. Egypt got little to no foreign aid from the US until after the Camp David Accords. So if you are ok with funding Israel, you should also be on board with funding the neighbouring states as well. As we pay them to play nice with Israel!!

 

Saul Alinsky? Where do you people come up with this? He doesn't like him because Obama is a centrist and Netanyahu is a radical right wing extremist. Yet despite his dislike for Netanyahu, Obama has continued our overwhelming support for the state of Israel. Obama was 100% pro-Israel, he just wasn't slavishly irrational in his praise of all things Israeli. In American politics and right wing Israeli politics, if you pretend that Israel is anything other than a flawless divine gift from God(which it is to some Israelis), you are anti-Israel!!

 

Bibi behaved like a child. Obama displayed a very high degree of maturity with his unwavering support for Israel. Israel is a great nation.

 

When we need a jumping off point in the ME.....we will have one.

 

Israel isn't even a democracy for black Jews never mind non Jews.