Kasich warns Republicans on ObamaCare repeal

You are absolutely delusional. No wonder you all lost. You can't (*)(*)(*)(*) someone over and then force them to like it. FAIL!

 

Nothing in that post is up for debate. Premiums are increasing at a slower rate than before the ACA.

 

Only 12% want Obama Care to stay as it is, 30% support the total repeal and 56% say take it apart and fix it piece by piece.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

 

Oh yeah, that sounds exactly like "Reality isn't a form of redemption." Like, what the (*)(*)(*)(*) does that even mean?

But in any case, you've ADMITTED that the plan Obama sold the American people on is NOT the plan they got. They were sold the "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, and you'll save $2500" plan, and got instead the "we have to pass it to see what's in it" plan. How is that not a bait and switch?

 

Should have never went with the ACA to begin with. Should have went with single payer and we could have joined the rest of the civilized world and had a functioning, cost effective and efficient healthcare system.

 

Well, we can agree on that. Although I think any universal healthcare system needs something else to make it work: more doctors. The problem with "the rest of the civilized world" is the wait times. My preferred plan, "FifthCare", would be a single payer system (to cut out the insurance company middleman, immediately saving us the money that would otherwise go in their pockets), combined with copious Med school grants to fight the cost AND wait problems through supply and demand (as well as letting doctors enter the work force sans HUGE college debt, allowing them to charge less because they don't start out so far in the hole)

 

I can agree with this

 

Speaking of RINO's...your hero Trump recently announced, yet again, that he essentially wants universal healthcare.

I guess you can't take the big government liberal out of Trump no matter what, eh? Haha.

 

Actually, your president elect seems to be calling for universal healthcare again. Oh, and he likes the "policy choice" of having 26 year olds being covered under their parents plans.

Does that upset you?

 

Heh, considering your right wing brethen, aided by Trump since 2011, have been thoroughly convinced Obama is not only NOT an American citizen , but in fact a foreign born anti white racist muslim hell bent on destroying America and giving blacks/minorities everything at the expense of "white tax payers", I'm not so sure you should be pointing the trembling finger at others for supposedly believing "crazy things".

 

Because it appears that now that we've been infected with this Democrat dabbling in a socialist-lite medical insurance scheme we'll never be rid of it. The intelligent, fair thing would be to simply terminate Obamacare and let each person provide for his own care, or, if they won't do that for whatever reasons, go get on Medicaid.

BUT, a type of single-payer system could work well, and actually save taxpayer participants money. Single-payer could end all this constricted state-by-state system of establishing insurance company "fiefdoms", with different terms, conditions, coverage, and costs. The key to making it work, and making it financially viable would be that each person in the single-payer system would HAVE to be someone who actually pays premiums into the system -- without subsidies from the government, "credits", or any of that other "welfare-ish" nonsense.

Look. Among other things, Maslow created the axiom that people want something for nothing, and no one wants it more than those who don't work, don't pay their own way in life, and who expect other people or some "government" to pay their way for them. We must tolerate their presence in society, and indeed a small minority of them really cannot support themselves due to injuries, horrible diseases, birth defects, etc. That's exactly why we must continue to have Medicaid -- but it must not (NOT) be co-mingled with the single-payer medical system. Single-payer must mean single-PAYER. If we put the moochers and bums into the single-payer system the net result will be even far worse than we have seen in "Obamacare"....

The real improvement for us will be that with all these insurance companies bidding for the business of the largest customer base in the world (i.e., the taxpayers of the United States), you know that they'll be sharpening their pencils to come with the lowest prices, the least co-pays and deductibles, and the best coverage and service. But it's going to cost REAL money, and that means that ALL participants must pay REAL money to be in the system.

 

No. Because he's always advocated for "universal" care, however when you hear that, you think National Health Service and I think of a variation of the same ideas for health care reform that the GOP has offered since 2008: Tax Credit to support insurance premiums. The 26 year old thing is just as stupid under a Trump Plan as an Obama plan, but at least without the Obamacare exchange plans, the 26 year old requirement won't crash the whole system like it did with Obamacare.

Now explain to me again how having that 26 year old escape clause was supposed to make the Obamacare exchanges great again? I've been waiting for a cogent answer for years!

 

Not sure what that has to do with martial law, but as I said, martial law, like the birther conspiracy theory you bring up, started with the Democrats first. You guys are great at coming up with conspiracy nonsense!

 

I agree with this. However, as I've said, I think the best way to tackle this is through supply and demand. I think the GOP would be wise to throw Bernie supporting millennials a bone (after all, they will need millennial votes in future elections) by saying, sure we'll give you free schooling, but not to do useless things. We will let you go to school for free(through grants) to become a doctor, because our country needs doctors. Then we will be in the position to handle universal healthcare from a production standpoint, so we don't get European wait times.

 

There was a time when I would have disagreed with your idea, but no longer! We are approaching a critical shortage of medical professionals of all kinds, and doctors most of all. The costs of getting the necessary education (plus all the living expenses, etc.) to become a physician have skyrocketed and now we have to take a new approach. Plus, a lot of doctors are getting close to retirement and they're completely pissed-off and madder than hell at constantly having to (*)(*)(*)(*) around with both insurance companies and the bureaucracy-choked Federal Government which punishes them with Obamacare, Medicare, and worst of all -- Medicaid. So, now, I LIKE your idea... because it makes SENSE in the America we live in today. BTW, I've become aware that a surprising number of American doctors have left the U. S. and have gone in business in parts of Central America, where they cater to retired ex-pat Americans, in gated American "enclaves".... CASH is KING!

But, yes, we shouldn't be blowing United States taxpayer money on "liberal-artsie-fartsie" college degrees so that somebody can write Haiku poetry, or other forms of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) "basket-weaving".

 

Well Mike, the ball is in the GOP and Trump's court now. I suspect that no matter what they do, you'll be cheerleading any way. Me? I'm hoping Trump governs like the liberal he used to be, but I'm not holding my breath for that. He was elected by conservatives, and will probably govern the way they want.

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Nah, those are right wing conspiracy theories still peddled in low information right wing circles to this very day.

 

I guess this means you were never going to answer my question on how having 26 year old's under their parent's insurance was supposed to help the Obamacare exchanges.

Awww!

My experience is that conspiracy theories start on the left and then go right.

Birther? Started with the PUMA's.

9/11 Truther? Started with the Democrats. At one time most registered Democrats thought Bush might have had something to do with it.

Anti vax? Again, a lefty talking point originally.

FEMA (concentration) camps? First person I heard it from was a liberal during the Bush administration.

I'll admit you guys have colorful imaginations...

 

I'm glad you can see this from a pragmatic standpoint, and not one of ideological purity. I find myself making such compromises often, because while I'm generally libertarian, a lot of libertarian ideas won't work when the system as a whole is not libertarian. Especially in economics, where libertarian thought relies on the free market. When the government has its thumb on the scale, the market can't make the necessary corrections. Government interference necessitates more government interference.

 

Trump likes it, and looks to intend to keep it. Then again, we both know Trump won't be doing much of anything about Obamacare outside of tweaking it a bit, while telling you it's something entirely different. Of course you'll be here, defending it, while also claiming it's something entirely different even if it's the same BS repackaged and sold to you.

Your experience is wrong, and blinded by bias.

 

Precisely why we will never recover from the debt bubble of all time, masquerading as an economy.

 

But, Trump says BS all the time.

You may not have noticed, but Trump's crew walked back his statements, thought they took a couple days to do so, it seems.

The bottom line is that congressional Republicans are spending more time worrying about the politics of the transition than they are about the "final solution" - which they do NOT have yet.

Try reading this from the arch conservative National Review:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443932/republican-health-care-debate-guide-perplexed-americans

 

No really promised to repeal Obamacare on day 1. He said that congress would pass it and he would sign it immediately following the inauguration. He did make some vague mention of replacing it with something better after it was repealed, but without the protections Obamacare includes millions of people would be very vulnerable For example, people who have a family history of cancer or other diseases would be in danger of being dropped with Obamacare's protection of pre-existing conditions, and thousands of insurance companies could start placing annual coverage limits again like they did before.

 

I know Trump likes it, and I know it's popular in general, but when you are depending on exchanges to make it work, it's a plan killer. Hopefully whatever replacement plan won't depend on having young people in exchanges, like Obamacare did. And it's pretty clear you're never going to answer my question on how having 26 year old's under their parent's insurance was supposed to help the Obamacare exchanges. Ha!

You are of course free to disagree and quantify a reason why I'm wrong.

 

The pre-existing conditions scare is fake outrage, since all of the various Republican plans proposed over the years had something that covered that, although the coverage limits returning is a possibility, but I think you are referring to lifetime coverage limits.

 

When Obama took over in 2009, he had hammerlock majorities throughout Congress. But you're telling us that it's OK that he LIED about us saving $2,500 each and every year in savings if we adopted his "Obamacare" fraud?! Obama was the cook, and the kitchen and all its contents belonged to him and no one else in January 2009. If he cooked up a stew pot of rotten (*)(*)(*)(*), then whose fault was THAT?!

."Uh, it may taste more like bull (*)(*)(*)(*) than filet mignon, but no one will mind but Conservatives...."