Kasich warns Republicans on ObamaCare repeal

From 2014
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/02/aca-impact-on-per-capita-cost-of-health-care/

From 2016
http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-health-care-costs-obamacare/

I get that it was touted as a cost reducer. Instead it has slowed the increase.

Would you rather the years without it when increases were much higher?

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Lol. You're a bit of a shyster. You like to talk alot here but when someone disagrees with you you're looking for a safe space.

 

I think there is a big gap between those of us who think a 26 year old is an adult and those of you who think a 26 year old is a child. That goes to something much deeper than policy disagreements, that's an entire worldview of difference.

 

What's next, I'm rubber and you're glue ?

 

And still, you wanted to bring Christian values into a public policy discussion of health care. I've asked before and you have not answered me, so I'll ask again, why do you want to bring your religious views into a public policy discussion?

 

maybe the little (*)(*)(*)(*)ers should forego the right to vote until they find the self responsibility of paying for their own crap.

If you want your little pukes to have insurance, buy it for them.
I didn't knock their mommies up, you did

 

To facilitate the discussion, earlier i had changed the description from child to dependent which i guess is politically correct..

 

26 years old and still a dependent seems to be the same issue.

That 26 year old rule is probably one of the bigger reasons that the Obamacare exchanges failed. The idea of community rating the plans was to have young, healthy people in the exchanges to help subsidize the older and sicker people. Instead, everyone under 26 got the option of being in their parents employer sponsored plans outside of the exchanges. Everyone on the right knew years ago that was dumb, and you guys refused to listen, so you doomed your idea.

Congrats by the way!

 

Doesn't change anything. An adult that age should not still be considered a dependent of the parents.

Maybe this idea that a 26 year old is a child or parents dependent is indicative of today's society of youngsters who don't know what hard work is?

 

It shouldn't have made any difference if the "dependent" was on their parents employer sponsored plan since they were paying for the premiums either way. How would would it hurt the company or the employee to maintain the status quo until the "dependent" turned 26?

 

Or....parish the thought, cannot find work with an employer who provides company sponsored medical insurance. A chief complaint in these rooms are that most of the jobs created under Obama are minimum wage jobs and we all know that most don't offer company sponsored medical insurance.

 

Well with that logic, why even set an age limit? Just allow those dependents to stay on forever. When they get married and have their own children, they could just be added to the grandparents policy. What difference does it make?

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Then they could do what my own son did and buy his policy.

 

You've apparently read my last post backwards. It doesn't effect that much the employer sponsored plan, it hurts the exchanges to have young healthy people outside of the exchanges.

 

I'm really not so "good at graphs", but I'll try to persuade you and others that, yes, thanks to Obamacare, premiums have increased radically: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...miums-to-increase-substantially/#8b18e5d46e3c . You have socialized medicine in Scotland... have your premiums (or whatever you call them) increased much over the past, say, ten years? And, out of curiosity, do you like socialized medicine...?

As an aside, I'll support your use of the Mother-tongue English as spoken and written by our generally better-educated friends in England, and in Scotland. English, as we Americans have come to speak it in the past forty years has been a butchered, muddle of dumbed-down doggerel, argot, idioms, acronyms, and other slang, usually with a maddening "up-talking" ending on every damned sentence!. Fingernails on a chalk board is Mozart compared to listening to people engaged in constant "up-talking"....

Suffice to say, I always have to "step up" now whenever I converse or correspond with a British person because the language I'm thoroughly immersed in here in the States is little more than shabbily imprecise, boring crap, and it has rubbed off on me, too. It is a problem I don't have when speaking German. Fortunately, most Germans still speak properly... except down in Bavaria, but they make allowances for Americans there... if they like you....

Truthfully, I'm an unremarkable person, but I have invented one useful, truthful phrase: "Language is thought." Cheers!

 

No I dont I oppose the income tax


Its whats most recognized, to tell the truth I always get it wrong and spell it with an s and still would if not for spell check

I no longer pay for anyone Im retired Ive finished paying. So if you call collecting your SS being a moocher then count me in

Thats not lying like you accused him of

 

The only thing worse than an insurance agent is a liberal insurance agent.

Personal experience from people who have FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE of their OWN situation means nothing to you.

Nooooooo - YOU know better because YOU'RE in the exalted insurance industry!!!!

Every time I come across people like you who are THIS DAMNED DENSE I wonder why in the hell I even participate in these forums.

No wonder the symbol for your party is the noble American jackass: stubborn, obstinate, wholly un-teachable.

If an actual jackass could talk - he'd also be a liar. Instead, all he can do is stand there braying, peeing on his own leg and tromping through his own $hi+.


You're not convincing anyone!

 

My own proposal is to tax insurance paid for by employers as income to the employees. Basically I would wipe out almost all health insurance.

Maybe the replacement should be a form of catastrophic insurance as advocated by Gerald Ford, and an increase in Social Security benefits for the elderly. Otherwise health should be paid for the same way auto repairs are paid for.

 

Why am I responsible for the little pukes not acquiring marketable skills, and wasting huge sums of money on useless degrees and frat parties?

 

Unless of course they have a pre-existing condition and in that case they are out of luck.

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In that case one would hope that in order to be competitive, the exchanges would lower their premium prices to attract younger, healthy people

 

You can have all the marketable skills in the world, but if there are not enough jobs to go around, you will find yourself working at a part-time job that has no company sponsored medical insurance and has low wages to boot.

 

You are assuming that a replacement will not include pre-existing conditions. I am not sure how well you see into the future. However, prior to the ACA, most private policies had a waiting period for pre existing conditions, so yeah, the little snowflake can still buy their own policy. Stop making excuses for grown adults not being responsible.

 

Sure for maybe $20k per month, they might be able to finagle a policy out of the insurance companies. Of course in the meantime the waiting period may not be in time for the unfortunate person and they end up dying before they can be considered for the policy. Stop being an apologist for the incoming Trump administration already!

 

And gave them plans that were just as bad and made thousands of other much worse

 

Actually Rahl is correct...Obviously you have a bundled insurance plan with auto or something...your rate changed do to the auto part perhaps?
I have worked in Insurance as well...

Still reading through thread, perhaps this is brought up later in the thread.
Also like auto...your individual plan will increase due to the amount of claims you file...nothing to do with the ACA, If anything people forget what it was like before the ACA when millions got denial of coverage letters in the mail, then dropped with no hope of ever being covered again.

 

Sounds like a good reason to go single payer...and dental was never part of health insurance anyway.

 

I thought the economy was wonderful. There are plenty of jobs.
Obama and you told us so