Marine Le Pen refuses to wear headscarf for Islamic Cleric

She wasn't asked to wear hijab.. In all that time you lived in Egypt you still don't know, do you?

 

Saudi Arabia is fighting ISIS in the kingdom. ISIS declared war on KSA 4 years ago and have carried out numerous suicide bombings.

They rounded up over 400 a few months back.. some were making bombs and others were training suicide bombers. Most were overstayers.

Last week they had gun battles and destroyed 6 different cells.. They also foiled a massive truck bomb destined for the new super stadium in Jeddah.

 

The Saudis don't want ISIS messing around in their Kingdom, however they are happy to fund ISIS to wreak havoc in Syria to bring down Assad. The Saudi government may not be directly funding ISIS, but they endorse their wealthy citizens to fund ISIS through inaction (http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis). On the flip side we have Iran who is funding Hezbollah to support Assad. Make no mistake about it, this is a Saudi-Iran proxy war behind the Syrian civil war. The only thing holding the status quo together is Turkey, if Turkey implodes due to internal power struggles, the entire Middle East will spiral out of control.

 

Good post.
With Qur'an 9:5 and Qur'an 9:29 still being a part of the Islamic texts there is no way in hell that Islam will ever "show tolerance".

In all fairness, Christians/Jesus/God are just as intolerant as Mohammad/Muslims/Allah, as BOTH are so incredibly intolerant that they won't let Gandhi (or any other ethical hard-working non-believer) into their elitist gated ("pearly") community in the sky - at least according to their Bible.

 

Indeed, how much tolerance should we allow for their intolerance?

 

For some strange reason I just don't have a lot of faith in a country named "Turkey".

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We can't tolerate intolerance.

Have a great knight.

 

Do Muslims EVER get along with each other? It almost seems like, I don't know, that their prophet/role model was, say, oh, a warlord or something. But that would be crazy - no prophet of a loving god would be a warlord. Nah, couldn't be.

 

You cannot obfuscate away the facts.

Le Pen was required to wear a scarf in order to meet with the mufti. Le Pen refused the scarf. The mufti refused to talk to Le Pen unless she - a non-muslim - obeyed muslim religious rules.

Bravo! to Le Pen for showing the muslim leader to be a religious zealot who wants to impose islam on people.

 

Many politicians, only one LEADER:

 

Russia just calmed that possibility. You either seek chaos in the Middle East or you aren't paying attention. Either way your viewpoint isn't worth spit.

 

The Queen of England had to wear a head scarf to meet the Pope



If you go to Bali you are expected to wear a scarf when entering a Temple

Elsewhere you have to remove your shoes

THIER country they can set the expectations

This is just another example of American arrogance

 

Where did you read that the Queen was forced to wear the headscarf? Or are you just making assumptions from a picture?

 

I understand a simplified version of the conflict as follows:

Team Assad: Alawite - Shia / Iran / Christian / Hezbollah / Ba'athists / Russia - China

Team USA: Kurds / Hamas / UAE / Egypt / "Free Syrian Army" pt 1

Team Jihad: al Nusra (now renamed Tahrir al-Sham, and formerly al Quada) / "Free Syrian Army" pt 2 / Hamza / Sunni / Qatar -Saudi / Turkey

ISIL

Now the borders between the factions are very blurred, and team Jihad and ISIL have migrated forces and arms between them. Team USA and Team Jihad cooperating from time to time, and Team USA and Team Assad cooperating against ISIL.

So basically a daisy-chain of a war.

 

What color Charlene chooses to wear during her state visit alongside Prince Albert II next week has major significance as she is one of seven women in the world that has been given “the privilege of the white” – or the ability to wear white when meeting with the pope.

Called le privil ge du blanc in French or il privilegio del biacno in Italian, the special tradition is extended solely to designated Catholic queens and princesses and is usually reserved for important events at the Vatican like private audiences, canonizations, beatifications and special masses. According to protocol, other women who meet with the pope are asked to wear black clothes and a matching mantilla, or a lace veil worn over the head. First Lady Michelle Obama followed this rule in 2009 when she joined President Barack Obama in visiting Pope Benedict XVI
http://people.com/royals/princess-charlene-of-monaco-and-the-privilege-of-the-white/

 

If anything I think you have made it more complex. The Syrian civil war is based on Alawite/Shia vs Sunni. That's it.

These Middle Eastern governments might not be directly and openly funding this war, however they are certainly allowing organizations, institutions and various entities that operate within their nations to continue funding and supporting the war.

 

No, British taxpayers are doing that; first their 'government' (I use the word loosely!) gives the money to ex-inmates of Guantanamo who then present it to Islamic State as a goodbye present when they go and blow themselves up. Yes really - it's true!

 

Don't see the Queen wearing what is claimed to be a rule when she meets the Pope here: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/03/world/europe/italy-pope-queen-elizabeth/index.html and here: https://www.bing.com/images/search?...7AA616991762607A677D3E95E9D3C9BB8&FORM=IDBQDM

 

So where do you see the YRG (Kurds)? They hold a full third of Syria.

 

Changing times with Francis, it would appear

And on this occasion, the meeting with the pope brought a hugely important symbolic difference from all her previous trips to Rome. Every time she has been there before, the Queen has worn a black dress and a black mantilla. For generations, that's been the accepted attire for a female leader meeting the pope on his home turf: Argentinian president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, lunching with him last month, followed the usual tradition and covered herself in black, with a hat to match.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/04/lilac-dress-queen-meets-pope-francis-win-women

Obviously if Team Pope had refused, the Queen would have acted respectfully as she has done in the past

 

Well done, Latherty.

 

A third is a bit of stretch. I actually don't mind the Kurds. I would trust the Kurds over the vast majority of nations in the Middle East. The Kurds have been in a struggle to establish their own nation home comprising the make up of lands currently situated in Northern Iraq, North-Western Iran, Southern Turkey and North-Eastern Syria. This Kurdish struggle was initiated long before the Syria civil war.

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The Queen has visited Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul with no headscarf many times.

 

Yes a thrid is a bit of a stretch, but not far off. They are actively engaged in the conflict so where do you put them in your binary Shia/Sunni model?

Not formally in the Vatican, according to the article. Seems it was quite a coup. I wonder if it was Francis that suggested it...

 

The Kurds have been actively engaged in political and military operations in the Middle East with the primary objective to establish their own nation for a very long time. They are only interested in the annexation of particular lands to set up their nation home. Perhaps when/if the Middle East gets re-mapped, a Kurdish state will be on the table.

Now on the topic of the headscarf. It is clearly optional to wear it when in the presence of the Pope, and isn't mandatory. What you have highlighted is intolerance on behalf of the Grand Mufti in Lebanon, such religious intolerance of other people and their feelings lays at the heart of the issues we are facing with Islam in the Middle East and throughout the world at large.

 

Well the Kurds make up the vast majority of the Syrian Democratic Forces, who are now the USA's BFF in Syria and receive the bulk of its support now. So if you're viewing the Syria conflict as Sunni v Shia, which is not an invalid way to see the conflict, where do you see the YPG sympathies falling?

I'm not reading that it was ever optional, I'm reading that Pope Francis accepted a change in Vatican protocol. I think it says a lot about Pope Francis but also the changing relationship of the Vatican to its Catholic states - this was in one respect a sleight to the privilege formerly reserved for female Catholic heads of state. A rapprochement with protestant states or an admonishment of Catholic oligarchs? perhaps both.

If Le Pen and this mufti dude were meeting in Paris, the French would determine the dress code.

 

In the australian forum on the thread on the same topic - you should read it