Bernie Sanders: We Need to End the 50-year-long Israeli Occupation

As I am sure Bernie knows...
Israel occupied Jordanian territory 1967-1994.
In 1994, Jordan ceded that territory to Israel in the treaty that normalized relations between the two states.
Thus, with regard to that previously Jordanian territory, and under international law, Israel no longer occupies anything.

 

Under the Law of Nations that all nations used at the time, Mexico never established sovereignty over what is California, Arizona and western New Mexico.

As for California, the Californios surrendered four times to the United States, the first two times not even putting up a fight. Don't forget that the Governor of California also surrendered before the Mexican - American War and you had the Bear Flag Republic.

Facts were, the "Californios" who were formerly white European Spaniards but became Mexican citizens when Mexico won its independence from Spain didn't want to have any thing to do with Mexico. Most Californios like Pio Pico wanted to become a British colony while a minority wanted to come under American control. The British after investigating California didn't want any thing to do with California and weren't willing to fight another war with America over land occupied by lazy backwards people.

For over 300 years neither Spain or the Mexican government were able to establish a wagon trail from either Old Mexico or from Santa Fe, New Mexico to California. The Mormon Battalion was able to build a wagon road from Santa Fe to California in just three months.

There are a number of requirements under Natural Law and Common Law to become a sovereign nation and Mexico failed to meet those requirements in what is today California and the American Southwest.

 

Sure- but it was Mexican in that it was populated by Mexicans. Texas too.

 

That's the Zionist myth. certainly- but here are the facts which dispel it;

Israel didn't ' accept the UN's offer to have its own country '. The ' offer ' was made via Resolution 181 in 1947. Israel didn't exist in 1947.

Palestine didn't belong to the British for the British to carve up. NATURALLY- all the indigenous Arabs objected to having a foreign power carve up Palestine and give over half of it to European immigrants. The Arabs all voted against it- but Resolution 181 passed anyway- thereby establishing a Palestinianreated state whether they liked it or not. The same Resolution which created a Jewish homeland created a Palestinian homeland. Now THERE'S a kick up the butt for Zionism.

The Palestinians didn't then ' join with most of Arab world in entering a war of annihilation '. War was thrust upon them by the monstrous ethnic cleansing agenda of the Zionists who had flooded into Palestine - attacking its British protectors and even assassinating the United Nations peace envoy before embarking upon a systematic ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages. Only AFTER the Zionists acted in this criminal fashion did the Arab League attempt a resistance- which became the 1948 War.

So much for your myth.

You wouldn't accept a parasitic invader brutalising you , your family and country and neither would I. Neither will the Palestinians- and they are backed by a huge majority of world states.

 

well theres (*)(*)(*)(*) in my toilet but its not made of (*)(*)(*)(*)

 

It's all about geopolitics and that primal fear of a waning influence within the energy vital middle east, frankly speaking that's what the lobbyist are after I suppose, but never with the plight of the Palestinians. But as you could observe they are also quite sensitive about the stability of Israel, of course cows should graze green and lush grasses and they have to make sure that such an excellent health is maintained. With the symbiotic needs Israel did entrenched itself within US society and it's already deep rooted that whoever leads US government could never detach. I think the only way for Palestine to have its own lawfully recognized state is to have the support of the entire middle east not militarily but through diplomatic pressure, through this if realized considering the importance of the middle east I think they will reconsider, but the problem is can the middle east be united? the same as the EU.

 

I have to disagree with your very depressing picture of American politicians being joined at the hip with what has become overt Israeli fascism.
In a short while the US will have a Latino majority. Its foreign policies will change as a result of the decline of the white Evangelical political classes. Catholicism will rule America-for good or bad- and it will be quite averse to shovelling its followers tax-dollars into the faux-Judaic cess-pit of Israel.

Israel-Firsters won't find work in Washington. I just wish that they would quit right now in anticipation of the inevitable.

 

What will solve this problem is not an American liberal, although that voice is very useful.

What is missing is the Palestinian Mandela, or Ghandi, that would say to the ruling class: give us voting rights, equality and freedom and we will be peaceful and let you keep much of your ill-gotten gains. There have been voices from the Palestinians saying as much but they have not managed to get on top of the various factions.

Perhaps with some US support....

 

He's in an Israeli dungeon. He's in an Israeli dungeon because he refuses to follow the limp-wristed , neoZionist-flavored defeatist policy that you suggest.


....and you should indicate your sarcasm

 

Very true. There have been a fair number of such people but they either find themselves dead, arrested without trial or deported. They have always been Israel's greatest fear.

 

The only thing that prevented Israel from owning a whole lot more land was the western powers putting pressure on them. If we stop the flow of money, there is nothing stopping them from taking and keeping any land if they think they are being threatened. No major power will declare war on them if they do. Just be careful of what you wish for.

 

Not only that without Palestinians giving up their lives and fighting with the British on the understanding that having got rid of the Ottoman's they would have self rule, the British would have had no Palestine to give to anyone

 

Re:

Well, strident Zionist Occupiers & their shameless Hasbara shills for starters:

"Israel Doesn't Want Peace"
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-doesn-t-want-peace-1.217576
EXCERPT "Until recently, it was still possible to accept the Israeli refrain that "there is no partner" for peace and that "the time isn't right" to deal with our enemies. Today, the new reality before our eyes leaves no room for doubt and the tired refrain that "Israel supports peace" has been left shattered.
The world has been turned upside down and it is Israel that stands at the forefront of refusal. The policy of refusal of a select few, a vanguard of the extreme, has now become the official policy of Jerusalem."CONTINUED



“New construction plans prove Israel doesn’t want peace”
http://www.ampalestine.org/newsroom/new-construction-plans-prove-israel-doesn’t-want-peace
EXCERPTIn blatant violation of UN Resolution 242, which prohibits the acquisition of land through war and calls for the immediate withdrawal of Israel from all occupied territories, Israel continues to colonize the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It uses the illegal settlements as the justification for the illegal annexation of Palestinian land into Israel.”CONTINUED


"Why Israel Doesn't Care About Peace"
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2015789,00.html

 

Probably there are a few of them in dungeons around the place. Wasn't that where we found Mandela?

What the Jewish Israelis need is assurance that they will not be pushed into the sea. They have sufferred Zionist propaganda more than anyone else and they are genuinely scared of reconciliation with the dreaded "other".

There are two ways that situations like these are resolved:
1. Revolution whereby the ruling class is murdered and robbed of their possessions (Russian or French revolution)
2. The grand bargain, whereby there the ruling class get diluted in political power in exchange for keeping most of their stuff (English democratic reforms, South Africa, India)

Item 1 is high-risk for the insurgent, and in this case has no chance of success because of the international backing for Israel and the appalling conduct of Islamic fundamentalists elsewhere (guilt by association, unfortunately).

However, it is only the underlying threat of item 1 that makes Item 2 desirable for the ruling class. But this does not need to be an obvious threat. They know its there. The overtures need to be peaceful.

 

Read Moshe Dayan.. The Israelis planned the 1967 war for a decade because they wanted more land and water. It was simply theft and ethnic cleansing.

 

Even his widow has given up on Zionism
moshe-dayans-widow-ruth-zionist-dream-has-run-its-course
http://www.newsweek.com/moshe-dayans-widow-ruth-zionist-dream-has-run-its-course-68099

 

Good. Israel should take all the land that originally belonged to them. They're good stewards of the land.

 

They planned to be invaded? The horror!

 

Well, in addition to that, if ever left without American economic and military support and forced to fend for itself, first idiot Islamic country trying something funny with Israel, will get a nuke lobbed up its stupid a$$.

America is keeping up the peace; is all there's to it.

Is all there's to it.

 

You've meant to say, Israel had plans for an eventualmm invasion by Arabs, right?

 

We should also end the american occupation of the USA, the chinese occupation of china, and the European occupation of Europe. Lets be consistent.

 

This is yet another of those laughable lies antisemites and terrorist fans love to peddle. Truly hilarious stuff. The King of Jordan couldn't get hardly any of the 'refugees' to sign up when he was invading in 1947-48; they preferred hiding out behind his forces and whining about how he wasn't doing enough for them. And, outside of Jordanian forces, the rest of the 'mighty Arab armies' almost immediately disintegrated in looting and raping mobs as soon as they hit Israeli territory, just as they did in their big giant 'revolt' in 1935.

Only a true dumbass or a loony bigot would ever try and claim these fake 'palestinians' are a real people and 'freedom fighters'. They only 'fight' because the UN and Europe pays them via all that aid; stop the aid and these vermin crawl back to Syria or Egypt or Iraq, where the vast majority of them came from in the early 20th century and later, seeking work. The Jordanian ruler brought in settlers from as far away as the Caucasus Mountain ranges to settle alongside his mercenaries who did the fighting for the Brits in WW I; the few native Arabs did the same thing they did when they were avoiding the Turkish drafts and tax collectors; they hid out in the hills and refused to join anybody or pay taxes.

 

Unsupportable nonsense.

 

If the Arabs want that land so bad why didn't they take it when it was offered on a silver platter by Israel 50 years ago?