Trump's new immigration ban ... again rediculous BS!

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Which questions?

    Why the refugees not stay in local area at neighbors for example?

    Simple … because all neighbors are not better dictator headed countries as the others from where they flee and the reason why they are is nearly everywhere the guilt of the USA and their partners. Example Saudi Arabia:
    The US blamed 40 years long and still blame today about Iran how evil they are and they use this evil Sharia law and and and … Strange! Saudi Arabia does all this too, but no one in the USA does blame them for it! And if you look around, this is the status of most other countries and honestly is only one more moderate country there existing – Jordan - which btw took over 2 million refugees from Syria and Iraq, as they took before from Palestine millions!

    Answered now?

    Interesting point… because you must me now explain why since 2001 only 1 terrorist was able to enter the USA and being not detected and making a terror attack (which is even questionable if really terror background). So, why is now suddenly when Trump moved into the White House out of the nothing such a deep danger existing to make such steps?
    Please don't tell because Obama 8and Bush) were blind and ignorant to see this, because if this was the case, why does no terrorist of one of these countries enter the USA successful?

    Even the ban is temporary, I clearly showed by facts (!!!) that this ban is in case of Iran only nonsense and helps nothing to prevent that these evil Mullahs can do evil things in the USA!

    I know, but why? Because he claims nonsense to reason his steps!

    Other did not agree to right this thinking when Iraq was included and are now suddenly silent about when Iraq is excluded, what is strange, isn't it? … anyway:

    From Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria is coming a real existing threat that there enter hidden terrorists the USA as it is clearly shown by pure evidence of origin of many attackers at last European terror issues! But they are not even thought to go on a ban list, but important states like Sudan. Why? Because the regimes in these North African countries are allies of the USA as is Saudi Arabia. This spells libraries of real truth behind and that it is not to make USA safer against terror!

    OK …

    Could it be you might be politically motivated?
    No … but by pure logic and facts!


    Why aren't you focused on the policies or immorality causing these people to be displaced in the first place … why be critical of American border policies?
    Because it was (aside others) right the US who cause very often that these people become displaced! So the US cause the BS, then they have to pay the bill too! Example? Libya where the US backed every scum fighting against Gadhafi and as soon as this bloody dictator was death, they left the country alone and right this scum turned out to be terrorist scum which not only messed up the country and killed the US ambassador some years ago!

    Shall I answer more?
     
  2. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Did they "cover up" the identity of the one on the train or the one in the Munich shopping centre or are you just writing more crap?
     
  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Yes they did, unbelieveable?

    #1 - train attack of Wuerzburg
    The one who attacked in train near city of Wuerzburg was a 17 year old man and refugee from Afghanistan and it is confirmed that this has ISIS terror background. The name was Muhammad Riyad but it is even unclear if this is his real identity and even it is not clear if he is not coming from Pakistan in reality.

    #2 - Amok run of Munich
    The person who was at Munich shoot out was born in Germany ands is son of refugees from Iran which came in the 1990's to Germany as refugees which are hunted by the Mullahs (confirmed, if they stood in Iran = death!). Following information aboiut (sources Wkipedia and others, all backed on facts):

    In 2015 S. was treated for two months at the hospital in Harlaching because of a diagnosed social phobia and anxiety states. In the period from October 2015 to February 2016, four diagnostic appointments were held at the Munich Heckscher Clinic for Youth Psychiatry. On these dates, David S. went with his parents. After that, he was treated by a resident doctor, whom he visited for the last time in June. [97] A first toxicological investigation of the corpse revealed that the perpetrator had traces of an antidepressant prescribed in his blood. [98] S. has been bullied at school. [96] [99] Former classmates said that he had passed a school exam on the day of the amok run.
    The police found in his room the book Amok in his head: Why students kill the American psychologist Peter Langman, newspaper excerpts about past amok run and photos, which he had taken last year in places of the Amok run von Winnenden / Germany He had planned the rampage for about a year.
    David S. committed his acts on the fifth anniversary of the attacks of the Norwegian right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik, whom he was supposed to have venerated. The FAZ reported that he was proud of his birthday with Adolf Hitler and because of his descent to be an "Aryan" (Iran = "Land of the Aryans"). Several media reported on a racist motive for the perpetrator; According to a friend cited in the mirror, he "developed a giant hatch on most foreigners", because his classmates with migration background had "rightly broken" at school. The investigators later found that the victims of the amok run had resemblance to persons who had been bullied by S
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    So any terrorist background? No!
    Any refugee background? No, even his parents came as refugee, he was born in Germany!
    Any Islamic background? No!

    But it is obvious that this Iranian guy was some sort of Nazi! Nice, eh? But of course is this ignored and it is put on list of Islamic crimes!

    Also at all other acts ...

    Terror act at city of Ansbach July 24, 2016 ==> done by the 27 year old Syrian refugee Mohammed Daleel and confirmed to be an terror act of ISIS. This man tried to make suicide bombing at a festival which cause 15 injured and the attacker died.
    Terror act of Berlin last December was done by Tunisian Anis Amri and issue was a clear ISIS attack ... Amri entered via Italy Europe as refugee, was before jailed for 4 years in Italy and used a bunch of wrong identities. At least failed our security services here heavy, because this attack could hav ebeen easy prevented if they made a proper job, because they knew him and how dangerous he was ... but silly bureaucracy and ridiculous jurisdiction.

    Any further attack? No ... long time ago and failed. other issues were our Security Services worked proper and prevented? Yes ... and the suspicious perosns are told to be who and from where coming!
     
  4. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why not indeed? The link between all international terror attacks have been Muslims so why shouldn't all western democracies ban them. You make a good point.
     
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    See, didn't I tell you it was a muzzie? It was a Albanian Muslim from Kosovo. And of course, he was mentally ill (wink, wink).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...724d48f5666_story.html?utm_term=.e9c35684b82c

    There was another attack in Duseldorf later that day. And guess what - it was a "mentally ill" Muslim again. :clapping:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/09/several-injured-axe-attack-dusseldorf-train-station/
     
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    You, Mandelus, quoted which questions in your very post #168, you know very well 'which questions', you not only responded with questions.....your example above wasn't one of my queries, you're making this up as you go along.

    The temporary ban....is because we've complete unrest, civil war, slaughter and strife in the Middle East that you continue to deflect from. It's to make sure this country has policies in place. It's a temporary ban to make sure you're right, Mandelus....that these people entering our country are indeed refugees. Indeed fleeing rather than infiltrating. Indeed genuine rather than trying to jump their place in the immigration line. Making sure we're not allowing those wishing us harm or ill....are allowed in. It focuses on nations that are experiencing absolute chaos.

    What is it about Iraq that needs to be explained to you, Mandelus? What rock are you living under. The United States currently has 5000+ troops in Iraq helping to extract the Islamic State. We are directly involved in military operations there indeed displacing Iraqis, that nation be omitted from this order but vetted in detail makes utter sense.....not to mention Rock Dweller........Trump is trying to get this order through the courts. He's obviously had to scale back his order as our Judiciary currently believes they dictate national security. Might be time for the American electorate to once again step in, and set things straight.

    No. Not ok. Start answering questions, Mandelus. You are fairly good at barking questions, you ain't so good at answering them. Like....you're trying to dictate the conversation or something.

    1)why are these countries experiencing such high exports regarding humanity, Mandelus?
    2)what is going on in these countries that is resulting in waves of refugees and immigrants coming not only to shelter in North America, but flooding European nations as well?
    3)Middle East nations are seeing wholesale exodus if I'm not mistaken....and I'm not.....you see nations today in North Africa where those fleeing are risking life and the Med to reach Sicily and safer environments. Why?
    4)If most nations regarding this ban Muslim countries......what pray tell are these "Muslim Nations" doing about these crises?
    5)Why is it you know so much more about how the US should reform its' immigration policies?
    6)Why aren't you calling for the slaughter to stop IN these countries?
    7)Why aren't you focused on the policies or immorality causing these people to be displaced in the first place?
    8) why be critical of American border policies?
    9)Could it be you might be politically motivated?

    I listed 9 here, answer the first 8. The answer to number 9 has already been answered, it's yes.

    Your responses here, Mandelus.....need to end in a (.)......not a ? mark......a period.....thanks much.
     
  7. DivineComedy

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    Because “liberals” are against a Muslim (Al Quacka), or any religious, ban, due to stupidity of thinking Congress cannot declare war against any religion:


    Official Statecraft of the United States of America, the first one was posted on the State Department's website:


    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." (Clinton)


    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." (Obama)


    "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of [an Al Qaeda- like group]." (Clinton)


    "We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of [cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers]." (Obama)


    Simple fact is if the courts reject this order any expansion to include a multitude of countries, such as Saudi Arabia, which was previously ethnically cleansed and maintained as cleansed by (MoHamMad’s) Islam, is mute. We can either take the time and money to have extreme vetting of everyone regardless of origin, or accept that some get through. It is no different than accepting that some people get a disease from the vaccine, or some people die from the medicine.


    Make no mistake; we are at war against a religion.
     
  8. Plus Ultra

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    Why do you think the perpetrator was described as from Yugoslavia instead of as a Muslim ethnic-Albanian from Kosovo?
     
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    Kosovo was not recognized at the time he entered Germany hence records would show him to be from Yugoslavia
     
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    Evidently there's a mental health problem among Muslims, at least among the jihadees. I wonder whether Trump's proposed extreme vetting involves submitting immigrants applying from "majority Muslim" countries to psychiatric evaluation.
     
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    Really? So ban one third of world population to travel outside their countries "into the West" due to a small minority of idiots who use their religion to reason and back their terror against others... instead fighting this small minority of scum really and not with half ass and much BS blabbering only?

    Nice ... you know the term "discrimination"? if not, try to find out definition about.

    Mayby a proposal? Throw out of the US all Muslims with US citizenship as next step ... because all potential terrorists. Then throw out all Hispanos, because potential drug dealers, gang members and hurting US society so deep as Trump told. After this we can go on and throw out all Irish, because about 150 years ago they were all deep hated Catholics and who as Christian believe in pope in Rome has nothing to search in the US, particularly these Irish helped the IRA terrorists in Northern Ireland too. Then throw out all Russians in the USA, because all deep suspicious "Reds" and cheering to Putin!
     
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    Yes he was mentally ill ... and maybe coming form Kosovo (which was before part of Serbia btw.) and so what? So he is probably Muslim and this makes the mentally illness automatically unlikely for you ... means if this would have been done by a German, then it is?

    And yes ... a second crime happens too ... but nothing is known and even not who the attacker is and from where coming and why happening! So of course a next islamistic attack of course, you know for sure of course!
     
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    Well, of course he is. Didn't I also tell you that Islam is a mental desease? :hug:
     
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    Europe isn't full of Muslims you're making crap up
     
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    They already undergo extreme vetting you don't know what's going on do you
     
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    Really? When was the last time you were in Europe?
    Or may be you want us to sit back and relax until it's too late and the European frog is cooked?
     
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    It is already, I'm afraid. There's no going back now.
     
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    Another ignorant deplorables post Europe is only about 8% Muslim do your homework before you post foolishness
     
  20. Mandelus

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    Any religion is ... as Communist say (I'm not Communist) only opium for the people and a plague! Christians are not better as Muslims, Muslims are not better as Hindu ...!
     
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    No, it's not. The Muslims will be tought such a lesson that they will remember it for a million years.
     
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    Good to know that I'm living in Europe and living in a town where 1/4 of people are Muslims and even the Sylvester 2015 case included, everything is so far no real problem!
    But I see ... people in the USA know the situation better as we Europeans. maybe I as European know the situation in the USA then better as you Americans in reverse too?
     
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    I am an European too, you krankenwagen. :lick:
    You didn't even checked in the profile, did ya?
     
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    Would that it were so simple. But what form will this 'lesson' take?
     
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    I did ... but because I had some honks who claimed to be Americans but in reality being not, I'm skeptical about profile issues. Anyway... I still wonders about your Avatar. You know what this is in Germany?
     

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