Breaking : Numerous people shot outside UK Parliament .....

Well he is a man. How shocking!

 

Since when does ONE knife wielding attacker (shot by police) equate to "numerous people shot"?

There was only ONE person shot. By police.

The incident is horrible enough, there was certainly no need to misrepresent the carnage with a misleading thread title.

 

So a "rat piper" has the potential to infect indiginous persons, and inspire terrorist attacks? How does one identify these pipers in our midst? 10 cohorts have been arrested in London, so far. How quickly the message of radical Islam seems to spread. London has very strict gun control. Is it time to enact Islamic control?

 

Wait until the facts all come out before saying anything stupid....like you already have here.

 

And how do you propose to do that? Concentration camps for Muslims? How do you identify and control the thousands of gun-wielding murderers in the US, for example?

 

Yeah, which is probably why of 650 representatives in Parliament UKIP (Farage's 'party') has one (1), member. Seems us Brits have a lot more common sense than the average American voter. Look at the hopeless retard you just elected, for example. He is hell-bent on ****ing up your country, your foreign relations, your healthcare, your economy and you love it. What would it take to open your eyes?

 

I think it is quite widely recognized that refugees or immigrants are not themselves prone to radicalized acts of violence, but rather the following generation.
Who do you believe are the "pied pipers" and where do you think they are?

 

The story of this attacker here will for sure give a very good example how the issue works that a normal person becomes so brain washed by extremists.

But this is not only given for the Islamist, because it works for any sort of extremists same way at least. Why does some normal one suddenly become a Nazi, Communist or whatever?

 

In America, we place all our gun wielding murderers in prisons, not camps. I asked the question ... how do YOU propose we identify, and quarantine the spread of radicalism, that you say is propogated by "rat pipers". You seem more well versed than I in radical Islam. Most of us only see the aftermath of radicalism. Any suggestions?

 

In case of Islamist you can find them in some mosques and other sort of centers. Strange is that our security services know where and who is working there, but they do not much against.
But as told before, this is the same with any sort of extremist thinking and ideology / religion and the core question is more, why become people caught by this scum and then brain washed.

 

Congratulations on that awesome insight Captain Obvious. Unless you have cast iron intelligence in advance of an attempted attack, there is nothing that can be done. If you knew in advance that a murder was to take place, your jails would be empty of murderers, because no crime would have been committed!
Sorry but our security services aren't gifted with the powers of clairvoyance.

 

So nothin'?

 

You seem to have the solution, so what is it? I have clearly laid out that it is next to impossible to predict an act of terrorism, even with numerous prior warnings of an impending attack somewhere. Witness 9-11. Over to you.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/cia-directors-documentary-911-bush-213353

 

It is a general problem of extremism, no matter what religion or political ideology. How come, it the normal people "suddenly" totally change in their views, mind and behavior?
Something happens in the lives of these people, which triggers this and many things can be. Basically, disillusion prevails with them as far as their former worldview is concerned, and then they are vulnerable to these bastards and their ideologies!
To put a concrete, if also hypthetic, question:
How can it happen that someone at the age of middle 20, completed studies, intact family circumstances, good occupation, etc., suddenly become a member of an obscure sect?

The "rat pipers" themselves, whether islamist, Nazi, communist or whatever, as well as their places of action and where one finds them are actually known. The problem is, however, that they often move in graveons of our laws and they are difficult to grasp with normal right.
In Germany we have a wonderful example ...
The German Pierre Vogel himself converted to radical Islam and became one of the leaders of the Salafists and since then called himself Abu Hamza. His very disgusting activity was very sharp on the frontiers of his propaganda and performances and was therefore hard to grasp. The legal state had ultimately conquered him with something banal ... social fraud and tax evasion (Al Capone salutes).
There were finally necessary changes of the law, which can act the "rat piper", even if there were already good laws before.
The basic problem is always synonymous, that there can be the best laws, but they do not bring anything, if applied accordingly accordingly.

In the UK, there are certainly some centers and mosques, where Islamists operate their affairs. They are certainly also known to the security authorities. So question: Why do not you go there?

And again ... all this is true not only for the Islamists, but for all extremists, because these rat pipers can also be found among the Nazis to name another example!

 

We finished with the Nazis, we finished with the Communists but we haven't finished with radical Islamists/Wahhabis/Salafists/Takfiris etc...whatever you want to call them.

Be aware Mandelus. Things are changing in Germany. It was about the time to start deporting radical Muslims regardless of their place of birth. Merkel is adopting right wing policies just because of forthcoming election. By the way, are you colour blind? You need to check your eyesight.

Germany set to deport native-born potential terrorists
Germany will deport German-born children of immigrants, following concerns that they may have been considering terrorist activity, a court ruled Tuesday.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...et-to-deport-native-born-potential-terrorists

March 22, 2017 —In a move without precedent in German history, the country will soon deport two German-born men accused of having discussed terrorist activity.

On Tuesday, the Federal Administrative Court in Leipzig threw out a case saying that the men, one an Algerian national and the other a Nigerian citizen, should not be deported because there was no proof they had committed a serious offense. In so doing, it cleared the way for deportations that the state government of Lower Saxony ordered last month, when it described the pair as a threat to national security.

It is the first time in the country’s history that German-born residents will be deported, a spokesman for Lower Saxony’s interior ministry told the dpa news agency. The ruling may be a sign of hardening attitudes in Germany, which has been facing the joint challenges of migrant inflows and terrorist attacks since 2015.

 

So I think we agree that maybe Mohammad, if he knew right from wrong, could have legally married her, but waited to pork/violate her until she was older than 9 years-old, obviously.

Keep in mind that in most of human history they were barbarians.

 

The solution(s) is to stop Islamic immigration, and put resident Islamic organizations under surveillance. The US has placed undercover officers inside organized crime syndicates before, and radical Islam is organized crime. The US has used electronic surveillance to uncover racketeering, drug trafficking, and illegal gambling. We even spy on our own gov't officials. Why is Islam special?

 

We agree that a military solution to one of religion's biggest problems (faith/Jihad) is NOT to bomb them. We need to change religion and/or provide better alternatives than their fairy tales.

 

Right, so what would you have done in this latest situation? The murderer was British-born and a convert to radical Islam. Crystal ball?

 

You also need to check out your eyesight. I know you are older, so you're forgiven.

 

Sorry, I already deleted my mistake. My reply to the poster stands, however. The guy was a British-born convert, not an immigrant.

 

10 of his cohorts apprehended within 24 hrs. Seems this network was easily identified, once someone bothered to look. Surveillance of "rat pipers" I assume Imams, would have prevented it.

 

Yeah, you finished so well with the Nazis and Communists, that they are still existing in your country! Bravo!

Slowly boring this sort of “be aware” …

You know that about 300,000 refugees have to leave back into their origin countries and this is not new and month old?
Problem is that … for example … the North African States denied that these people are from their countries and so reject to take them back. One of the reasons why the Berlin Attacker Anis Amri from Tunisia was not still being back in Tunisia last December!

And this all since many month and without being thrilled by some Muslim haters who see need to teach us how stupid we are to take these refugees all … and this all done by the so often blamed Merkel government and authorities in all silence of professional work and without notice of these who claim again and again that we will become a caliphate now and other sort of crap blabbering!


So what was your point here now again?

 

I thought it was pretty obvious, the small segment of society that ruins it for the rest of us. Rapists, Murderers, Dictators, Extremists, malcontents, criminals, thieves, delinquents. Generally speaking the segment that most of us find reprehensible. The segment that gives humanity a bad reputation.

We get to see the daily results of their actions on the evening news.

 

You need a better understanding of the situation so I will try to help.
According to intelligence agencies there are around 3000 potentially violent radical Islamists that they know about and monitor. To watch one of these suspects 24/7 takes around 12 men. Do the maths, that's up to 36,000 required to watch the one's who are known.It's a simple matter of resources. The security services say they have foiled 13 terrorist attacks in the last 4 years.
Imams are watched and prosecuted if they preach hatred and violence. Remember our hate speech laws that Americans get so upset about because they challenge freedom of speech?
Despite all this there have been only two ISIS inspired terror attacks resulting in deaths since the 7/7 bombings 12 years ago, the Lee Rigby killing and Wednesdays attack. This is 6 deaths in 12 years so you need to get some perspective. Around 6 people die every year falling out of bed should we ban beds and arrest the vendors?