How many Republicans attended a March for Science today?

For the most part, I agree with your assessments. However, I will point out that Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania; which Obama captured, all went to Trump. They have some fine Universities in those states.

Also, it wasn't just the presidential election. The Dems lost badly in the Senate, House, and State elections.

BTW, I would love to see the Green Party emerge. I heard Ralph Nader speak on 2 occasions, and I was very impressed. Even with a leader like Ralph, the Party couldn't get a toe-hold.

 

What they will tell you is neither. Klansmen love big government. Apartheid crap can't really exist without large intrusive governments. The only difference between them and you is what you and they think large intrusive governments should do.

 

It's what classical liberalism is, guy. You're the one pretending there is such a great continuity - classical liberalism and modern liberalism aren't the same. All you need to do is break out google to find that out.

 

My reply was to you, specifically the part about how so many people were marching for government funding for science. So it wasn't about "science" so much as it was for more government spending. So the point of asking how many republicans attended the "science" march is like asking how many small government types went to march FOR bigger government. Its all a pack of lies and you admitted that fact. Thanks.

 

It was a march for research dollars from the taxpayers.

 

You show how easily you are confused with what people say and/or just misconstrue what was said. "The right" as a whole doesn't attack science or education. The right sees how bad the school unions are for the kids and tries to stop the unions. This gets turned around by the left wing spin as saying the right hates teachers, ergo they hate education, even when the right shows countless times they encourage education outside of public education systems. The right backs public voucher systems, private schools, charter schools, home schools, school choice, anything to stop the teachers unions who don't look out for the kids, but just the teachers.

The right also doesn't attack science, they go after faulty science and pseudo science funded by government cause they know how the results and tests are determined. The government goes out and says, "Hey, scientist, find me results that show a cow is a fruit, here is some grant money."
Scientist goes out, follows a regimented process to "prove a cow is a fruit". Goes to another scientist to ask for peer review. Other scientist says "yep, you followed the steps to get your conclusion that 'a cow is a fruit'". Now its been "peer reviewed", and the government keeps giving money to scientist 1 who will find the results to anything the government wants evidence for. That's how we (humans) wound up with eating grains for the main staple of our diets when its been shown that grains are the worst foods for our bodies. The politician with an monetary interest in the grain industry had a "scientist" find the results that we should eat more grains and gave them money for the research. Anyone who disagreed with the idea that we should be eating grains, lost their government grants.

Oh, and BTW. The democrats have by far the most votes from the uneducated class. Best way to see this is in their black voting block. The more educated blacks become, the more diversity in their voting habits become. Those who usually drop out of school, sit on welfare, and live in the slums of democrat cities like Detroit, vote for democrats. The ones who are doctors and surgeons and engineers, and officers in the military, they spread out and don't vote for democrats at a rate of 95% like the poor uneducated blacks.

 

Did you attend? Didn't think so.

 

I wonder why this is the case? I know why, I am just being facetious about it.

 

I do not believe this statement is exactly correct. Coming from my personal standpoint, it is not about education nor science, it has to do with age appropriate education and what you are using "science" to promote? To me, these are two key points. I am going to be a bit vulgar to make a point, so please bear with me.
If you want to teach second and third graders about the "pleasures of masturbation" or about "handballing" (what a disgusting concept), of course I will protest and object. If you want to teach second and third graders about junior high school mathematics, I would not object, this is dependent upon if the children are properly prepared to venture into these genres of mathematics.

 

You do realize that "progressive Marxism", whatever that is, is just another of those silly ideas conservatives use to pretend those on the left are other than they are.

 

You should educate yourself as to what liberalism is. You can start with wikipedia;

 

What kind of silliness are you talking about. There is no science teaching second and third graders about masturbation. Sounds like you've delved too deeply into the depths of conservative depravity.

 

Ok. But we're talking about higher education.

 

Are you familiar with John Locke?

 

Like calling alt-right, or right wing, "fascists"? But hey, even Hillary called herself a Progressive. And the most popular guy for the dems this time around is an outright self proclaimed socialist.

 

Why do leftists always have to paint and demonize the right as anti science or racist. It's an ad hominem strategy that the left always uses and it's one of the sole reasons that they lost the election in the U.S. Instead of actually bringing up intellectual arguments and try to have an honest intellectual discussion, people like you always have to demonize and attack them because you don't have any real arguments.

 

What has Locke to do with any of this?

Unless you want to get back to the original subject of this thread. After all Locke, along with John Stuart Mills, was among the first philosophers to push the idea of empiricism. An idea that is central to both science and liberal thought.

 

Well he's just the grandfather of liberalism.

Okay, measure that up to the Democrat party and see what they are truly liberal on.

 

This march included all sorts of topics of protest that have nothing to do with science, based on the signage.

Why are Republicans the only ones that deny science, in your mind? There are other sciences, aside from climatology.

Is denial of a person's sex not biology denial?

Is denial of human reaction to stimuli not sociology denial?

Is denial of tax cuts growing the economy not economics denial?

 

It may have something to do with the fact that conservatives really don't have any good ideas. Most of what comes out of the right is made up crap. Didn't you start a thread for the purpose of making false accusations against scientists without providing any real issues? There was a time that one could have an intellectual conversation with conservatives but that seems to have ended about the time William Buckley left the airwaves. Now days it is a little hard to have an intellectual conversation with one who makes up "facts" as they go.

 

give me an example of what you consider anti intellectual from the right that isn't from Fox news and isn't from the religious right. Those are cop outs and a lot of conservative I know hate them too. Also what exactly in my statement about science becoming politicized was anti intellectual. You didn't even respond to it, which leads me to believe that you didn't read it. So what exactly about my post was anti intellectual. Also, this demonizing of the right is exactly why you guys lost the election last November. Stop demonizing them and come up with actual intelligent coherent arguments and maybe we can get somewhere in this **** show of a world we live in.

 

The right wing has been (and remains) monstrously wrong on this topic, with the religious right even going so far as to perpetually assault the very foundations of biological science.

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No. The Laffer curve is a proven joke.

Beyond that, the trillions in tax cuts that the current Trump proposal would add to our debt could not possibly be made up for by ANY economic boom.

In other words, your own examples demonstrate just a few of the problem the right wing has with science.

 

Equality and fairness are central to liberal thought, as is the continued improvement of the human condition. It is always the Democratic Party, with opposition from Republicans, have always been the ones that has brought rights to more and more people. It is the Democrats that are trying to provide for all our people education and health care. It is Republicans that are trying to destroy every program that helps people.

 

Your complaint may need to be more specific than that.