19 dead from suspected suicide blast

Your over reaching. Ignorantly. Not surprised.

The Islamist translation and indoctrination via its translation of the Koran is.. As far as I know.. The only branch of Islam that has performed a terrorist act in the western world.

So to tell all Muslims to fix their house is going to result in a perplexed look. Plenty of Muslims fighting ISIS right now in Syria eh?

My problem is and it's a tough one is.. Normal peaceful Muslims are the recruiting ground of the twisted Islamist varient. Islamists also hide amongst them in their communities.

 

"Mr. Muslim, sir, in the name of brotherhood and cooperation, per Concord's wishes, will you please kindly remove the parts of your Islamic texts that say to kill gays, to fight non-Muslims, and to beat women - pretty please with a cherry on top?"

THAT WON'T WORK!

 

If a book can be translated to cause 30,000+ (and counting, no end in sight!) deadly terrorist attacks since 9/11 alone (not to mention the untold numbers killed in Jihad wars in the last 1400 years), then that is a DANGEROUS book, period. End of story.

 

Which is why I gave you three sources, including one who quoted an expert in Philippine conflicts. Attacking the messenger being one of your primary "debate" skills and all...

 

And if we're going back 1400 years, Christianity is even dirtier, with more blood on its hands.

 

That's the problem, FeeSee, I don't think it will. It's hard to adequately express just HOW consuming the indoctrination is, and how much of a strangle-hold it has on the generations born in the west. It's so powerful, that even white kids who previously hated the faith, are converting. They've perfected the art of speaking to the disenfranchised young male. That magic formula is impervious to a changing terrain.

 

More British Muslims have JOINED ISIS than have joined the British military FIGHTING ISIS, according to the NY Times. So your little fantasy that "Muslims are fighting ISIS" rings a little hollow. If they fought ISIS (after all there are 1.5 BILLION moderate Muslims in the world, right...right?) then ISIS would have been crushed years ago. The fact that ISIS is still so strong, and the Taliban so strong, and Boko Haram so strong, and Hamas so strong, etc. shows that Muslims are NOT as moderate as Islamic-apologists would have us believe!

 

Agreed!

 

It's not that they're not moderates, because most surely are. It's that they're terrified.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!! No way!! See, if Christians had, over many many years of the Inquisition, ACTUALLY tortured and murdered in the name of Jesus (I'm sure they didn't!!!) and his fine religion I'm pretty sure that Jesus, him being the most powerful and caring/kind person of all time, would of course have simply snapped his all-powerful fingers and come down and educated, just educated, those who were torturing/murdering in his name that they got it all wrong - because Jesus loves people so darned much!!

Hehe.

 

The belief in "hell" has caused more people to do bad things than any thing else in world history.

 

ALL Muslims don't have to be terrorists for faith/Islam to be a huge, gigantic, horrific problem for the world!

 

They're not afraid of hell, they're afraid of their 'brothers'. What does that tell us?

 

That doesn't have to work. American Muslims have a particularly liberal interpretation of Islam. Islamic reform is happening, and it happens more quickly in those communities where they're able to feel part of the wider society. That's how it usually works in America.

Less so in Europe. In Europe Muslims families are more likely to feel like aliens in a foreign land for a longer time, because Europeans have a greater tendency to see Muslims as never fully French, German, Danish, or British.

 

It's not the end of story. How many people have been.. Persecuted, tortured, maimed, killed based upon our Western King James Bible and before? The Crusades ring a bell? That bible.. That translation we in the west have used to do some pretty horrific things and the death toll its reaped is in the millions.

Islamism is not Islam. Really important to target your foe correctly or we have no chance at winning.

Ignorance resulting in fear mongering will not win.

Targeting Islamists. Requiring Muslim support in targeting and removing Islamists? Yesss

Persecuting or banning Muslims? Or Islam? Depraved and stupid. Plus it's impossible.

 

Let me ask you this: which is the true Muslim, the pure Muslim, the most pious Muslim: the moderate who does NOT follow Qur'an 5:33 which say to crucify as punishment and to cut off hands and feet, or ISIS which duly follows that Quranic verse to a "T"? Please tell us.

 

Nice work around. Hugs don't cut it, though.

 

We are in 100% agreement that faith/religion is a terrible thing, yes. No argument's here.

 

1) you will NEVER get it. they're too frightened to speak.

2) it's depraved and stupid to want to protect oneself from a qualified threat? how's the air up there at the top of the ivory tower?

 

And remember - your answer will apply to Christians who still quote Leviticus, but eat shellfish and wear poly-cotton blends as well...

 

They just need JOBS!!! "State Department Spokeswoman thinks “Terrorists just need jobs!”:
So we just need to give them hugs AND jobs and then they will magically stop killing us to get their 72 virgins!!

 

None of your sources are military historians or know jack **** about war or the military. None haven't been inside a research library in over twenty years or dug through the national archives. They probably never seen an Army or Marine Corps after action report during their entire lives.

You see, it wasn't "******" Jack Pershing who used pork as a weapon but Colonel Willis A. Wallace of the 15th Cavalry.

There's more;
Colonel Frank West buried three pigs with three Muslim terrorists after the murder of an American officer. He appears to have done so with the approval of General Pershing. Some stories mention Colonel Alexander Rodgers of the 6th Cavalry becoming so celebrated for it that he was known to Moro Muslims as “The Pig”.

Rear Admiral Daniel P Mannix III had contended that, "What finally stopped the Juramentados was the custom of wrapping the dead man in a pig's skin and stuffing his mouth with pork".

 

The more innocent people (young concert goers are seen as way more innocent than, say, Charlie Hebdo, or Lars Vilks, etc.) that are targeted, the less and less people like 22catch will run interference for Islam/faith. He will eventually think like we do - I guarantee it.

 

Both are cowards - neither religion has the GUTS to improve their barbaric texts. That makes me sick.

 

So I'll ask you to answer the question: which is the true Muslim, the pure Muslim, the most pious Muslim: the moderate who does NOT follow Qur'an 5:33 which say to crucify as punishment and to cut off hands and feet, or ISIS which duly follows that Quranic verse to a "T"? Please tell us.